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  1. AndyJohnson

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    Tom Brady has surpassed Steve Young (97.0 to 96.8) in career passer rating. Aaron Rodgers is higher but doesn't have nearly as many attempts, so wouldn't qualify yet.
    Brady is stacking up quite an argument for GOAT.
     
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    Interesting to see 8 active QBs in the top 10. Goes to show how Bill Polian has changed the game.
     
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    lol what?

    He has nearly 2500 attempts and over 20,000 passing yards

    what does it take to qualify?
     
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    looks like you struck a nerve out there in Bozoman, Montana, Andy....
     
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    I don't know how much you can put into passer ratings

    If you go by that then Phillip Rivers and Tony Romo are better than Joe Montana,both have higher career passer ratings.
     
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    Mark Sanchez has the highest passes-at-17 year old-girls rating in NFL history...far surpassing the old record held by Lawrence Taylor
     
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    What do you know. It's Joker contributing absolutely nothing to a thread. Carry on, folks.
     
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    He provides comedy, hes not called the Joker for nothing!
     
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    He shouldn't qualify. He sat on the bench for like 10 seasons so no rookie struggles and played with new school rules. Nevermind taking over for the 13-3 team that was a Favreception away from the SB.
     
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    No Blaine Gabbert on the list?
     
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    Qb rating is only useful in the context of a season. If you expand it beyond that, you can really only utilize it to compare quarterbacks who have played in the same era. The best way to employ it, is by passer rating+, which adjusts the rating the QB had to the average rating in the period he played. Brady's 97.0 rating, for example, is 20% better than the league average in the period he played in, but Joe Montana's 92.3 is 22% better than the medium rating his peers had on those seasons.
     
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    To me, he's GOAT, regardless of what happens going forward. Yet one more ring will cement it, for anyone that has any lingering doubts.

    Never in the history of this league has any QB been so consistent with his play "regardless" of the pieces that have been put around him.

    This man has made more money for more WRs simply by his own greatness.

    This man has also made this coach, without TB, it's hard to imagine where BB would be or how he would be viewed. That's just a fact that I don't think anyone can argue.
     
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    I would already consider him the GOAT. But, to seal it in the minds of a lot of other fans and in the media, I think he has to get over the hump with one more championship. Do that, and it's absolutely no contest.
     
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    Bozeman is actually a fun town in a beautiful part of the country. If you want to make jokes just look about 150 west of Bozeman.

    Town elders are thinking of Changing the name to Sanchez, Montana.
     
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    QB rating means nothing when you want to put the qb in the GOAT argument.
     
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    I don't think Andy implied that QB rating was the only factor in determining if TB was GoAT. Winning, leadership, championships also determine GoAT and TB certainly gets high marks on those categories.

    So does Joe Montana....not bad company to keep at all.

    This forum needs Joker. My .02$
     
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    There will always be an aspect of the GOAT discussion that is subjective; that's pretty much inevitable when you are comparing QB's across eras, rules changes and competition levels. There will always be honest discussion about the weight that should be assigned to playing in the Cap and FA era without a veteran and established surrounding HOF cast vs. playing with receivers who aren't routinely mugged as they run down field and with enlightened rules that protect all players, but especially QB's and "Defenseless Receivers."

    Who knows what a Bart Starr or Johnny Unitas or Joe Montana would have accomplished playing under today's rules? Who knows what Tom Brady would have done if he could have played catch with Dwight Clark and Jerry Rice (plus Russ Francis) year in and year out, with Roger Craig coming out of the backfield, not to mention a consistently great O-line and D, all kept together year-after-year by Dickensian labor rules?

    What's most important to me is the Tom Brady is now forever in the discussion as one of a very few players who could be considered for the Greatest of All Time, along with Baugh, Graham, Montana, Starr and Unitas (that's my list; you might add or subtract depending on your perspective).

    Championships comprise the one constant that crosses all eras; beating the best of your day in one or two games when everything is on the line. Sure, competition levels are elevated today, but teams still had to play and win with the conditioning, players and equipment of their day with only one team coming out on top every year; anyone who doesn't think that those championships were hard-fought and well-earned, I suggest that you watch some vintage tape before you try to argue that with me.

    In the NFL era, Starr has five championships, including two SB's; Montana has four, all SB's.*

    So, as a Homer, a fourth title in the cap and FA era, along with stats that just get better every year, would put Brady into a class by himself beyond Montana. It's difficult to rule out someone as great as Bart Starr, but I'm going to lean towards the magnitude of four League Championships in this era as trumping the achievements of that true Great. Packer historians will clearly disagree with me, but that's the beauty of this discussion, isn't it?

    *Bradshaw, with four SB wins, is usually not included in these discussions because of less compelling stats, the credit given to the "Iron Curtain" and an early retirement (age 34). Otto Graham is considered to have played in the NFL's definition of the "modern era," but is more difficult to compare in this context; he delivered seven league championships, three in the NFL but four in the NFL's predecessor, the AAFC. Baugh's ten league and division titles are difficult to compare and came before Canton's definition of the "modern era".
     
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    Well the Brady records that REALLY matter are his winning % as a QB & his PLAYOFF record as a QB for QB's who played after 1960 (including Unitas and Starr).


    As a starting QB only 4 QB's have winning % over .700, Lamonica (.784) had a higher winning % but <100 gms played and most games in AFL.

    T Brady .771 Through wk 12
    R Staubach .746
    J Montana .713
    B Rothlesberger .705 Through wk 12

    Then of course Brady is tied with Montana for most playoff wins all time.


    Of course Brady is among the all time leaders for playoff win %. Could get into 2nd place (behind B Starr & Bradshaw) if the Pats win the SB this year.

    IMO if Brady wins one more SB he is a lock as the GOAT.
     
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    He is also quietly putting forth another MVP season which would add yet another feather in his GOAT hat.
     
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