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    Patriots' OTA Storylines: 6/10/10 - Pats Pulpit

    Granted this was only because Ty Warren was out, but I have not been nearly as down about Brace as most Pats fans have been. Aside from the first series, I thought he looked pretty decent for a rookie in the playing time he got in Big Vince's absense last season. If Brace is getting these reps in Warren's absense (he's back in town, by the way) then I wouldn't be the least bit suprised to see him as a contender for the RDE spot going into training camp and the preseason. He certainly has the size to make an impact when in.

    Also in this report are some very nice notes about Tate and Chung, in particular.
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    Another Note from the Herald on that:

    BostonHerald.com - Blogs: Rap Sheet Blog Archive What happened during the Patriots final OTAs open to the media?

    Some quotes from Brace on the battle he faces for a roster spot from this article:

    Ron Brace Determined to Make Improvements After Marginal Rookie Year - NESN.com - NESN.com

    Mike Reiss on that position:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nfl/columns/story?columnist=reiss_mike&id=5237993

    I like his attitude heading into this season, and look forward to seeing him in practice.

    Ian
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    I really hope Ron Brace is not the "bust" a lot of posters seem to expect. If he can contribute and progress that would be great for the Patriots in general. It's what I want to see.....................................
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    I still want to know why people, by and large, think he's a bust. Other than the fact that he was in the rookie "doghouse" (which is no indication that he's going to be a bust), I don't see any reason why he can earn a spot on the roster.
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    I'd have to agree. I think he fell victim to a learning curve (as he's told us) and think he's definitely got the physical tools to play at this level. I also liked his attitude during OTA's, and he seems like he knows what's expected from him this season. I think it's obviously going to be up to him to take advantage of those times where guys above him aren't on the field, and hopefully give the coaches a reason to give him an opportunity. But it's definitely hard to call a rookie a "bust", considering not every one of them shine in their first season.

    I've got to say there are so many great story lines heading into this year's camp. I think I'm really going to have a hard time making it through the next month and can't wait until camp starts :rocker:
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    Sometimes, even the most gifted athlete can become overwhelmed by the leap from college to pro. Sometimes, it's an awful lot to handle and he'll need time to adjust. Coach (and many others) sees a lot of potential for Brace, and last year's "motivations" have obviously paid off. If the scheme has "clicked" like folks seem to think it has, in his mind, then he ought to be a solid asset for many years to come.
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    I have pointed out time and again that most of his difficulties had to do with technique which is something that can be taught and learned. He played a different system, different position in college, and on top of that comes to the fairbanks-bullough 2 gap. That is biting off more than you can chew. Bad feet, poor hands and launching too high- all things easily corrected.
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    Blame fantasy football, the internet and the televised draft. It used to be understood that most players didn't start as rookies, developed at varying paces, and only had to impress the coaches to stick around. Now, players have about 3 OTA practices to make the fans happy, or they become whipping boys.

    We witnessed the phenomenon in reverse last year, right here on Patsfans.com, as Mr. Chung became deified before he'd ever even put the pads on.
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    I will be following this thread with interest......... It's enlightening already.

    When you get right down to the rubber meeting the road how many rookies beyond the first round get significant playing time anyway? Ron Brace could turn out to be a vital cog for our team in a year or two. I hope he does....
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    Why isn't Myron Pryor getting any love? I've seen several stories and posts like this recently. It seems like they mention everyone on the D-line except Pryor. I don't get it. Last year I thought he looked damn good as a rookie, certainly better than Brace or Richard, and if he makes a solid jump from year one to year two we may have us a stud. :)
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    Probably because Pryor is a prototypical 1-gap 3-tech. He's a great nickel rusher, and we're all glad to have him, but he's not really an ideal end. He could play there in a pinch, I'm sure, but he's a much better interior player.
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    I am a Pryor supporter too, and think that he can possibly earn some increased reps as the year goes on....on the inside though, as a DT. This has been the position he has played at Kentucky too, and this is how he was used last year.

    The specific link regarding G.Warren, Lewis, Wright etc was regarding RDE, that is why Pryor wasn't included.

    Myron Pryor is simply too small at 6'1"" to be our RDE. (edit: at least on a consistent basis)
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    It'd be easier to get excited about Brace if he had actually earned any playing time last year, as opposed to just being forced in there because of injury. I'm not giving up on the guy after one year, but I'm certainly not gonna get excited about what he does in practice in June after what he did last year (nothing).
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    Brace taking snaps at 3-4 DE would make that line the most unathletic 3-4 DL in football.

    Any decent QB, should he see Brace on the outside, would run a sweep to his side, or a screen, or a pass, or anything but a play that called for a RB to run straight ahead.

    If Brace cannot play NT for us, then he cannot play anywhere for us.
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    A two gapping 3-4 does not feature "athletic" linemen up front. It features guys capable of taking up two blockers. Typically, in order to do that, you need size. That's what Brace has.
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    Only Brace has the physical potential to be a serious nose tackle in the NFL, therefore he will be retained until he blows it, or progresses.

    He's not really in competition with anyone but himself, therefore, since he'll be given time to learn, they'd like him to have some versatility while he takes up a roster spot.
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    Is my irrational hatred for Brace and love for Pryor wrong?
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    Brace played a lot of DE last year in training camp and got a lot of praises. It looks like he may be switching positions.
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    There's "athletic" and then there's "athletic." Brace was the slowest defensive player in the entire draft his year. Plus the DE position puts a premium on length, and Brace is pretty average on that measure -- 6'3.0" with 33 3/4" arms. (Compare to the two "throwaway" 7th-round rookies: Deaderick 6'3.7" 34 3/8", Weston 6'4.6" 34 1/2")

    As for why fans are so down on him after just one year, here are three reasons:

    - Myron Pryor was busy making "he's just a rookie" look weak
    - That street FA they played ahead of Brace for a couple of games before cutting him eliminated the "lace of opportunity" excuse
    - History really isn't behind the notion that Patriots defenders routinely spend their rookie years inactive, then go on to good careers

    Needles to say, though, I'd be delighted to be proved wrong.
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    Brace was in horrible condition last year, when I went to training camp I said to my son "Who is that fat dude with the rest of those fat dudes?"

    He looked thick, heavy, husky, chunky and large, combined with a total lack of speed it is not quite the total package. Players going from year 1 to year 2 have the benefit of a full season of NFL conditioning. Hopefully he has gotten himself into shape and can play multiple position across the line.

    He offers pretty good value as a 5th, 6th or 7th option at DL, most team are not this deep. The problem with the Patriots defensive line is that after Warren and Wilfork all of the players are basically the same, good backups but lousy starters.
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    Glad to hear him working at DE last year at camp I was surprised that he seemed to look more like Sey and Warren than Vince. He had a little more in the gut than Sey and Warren but by no means is he the plug that vince is and I think he seemed to have decent height and length. I think because of his speed he will never be a 3 down end but he could be a good DE on early downs.

    Likely he will learn NT and DE and hopefully be a very good back up to all 3 line positions.
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    Regardless of where they run, Brace will have the (shared) responsibility for 2 gaps. That is why NT/DE/DT are all interchangable for us. I would suppose screen would be a challenge, but you dont run a screen to exploit the lateral mobility of a DL.
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    THere were occasions last season when Wright came in and did more than a passable job. I wouldn't write him off.
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    I was a bit disappointed in Brace after his first season, but I don't know how anyone can call him a "bust" after only one year. Most DL need a year or two before they start contributing.

    Factor in the position/technique change and it's understandable that Brace struggled. But it's really unfair to call the kid a bust just yet. He was Wilfork insurance. He wouldn't have had the opportunity to play much last season anyways, and this was the year he was expected to be ready for.

    Meanwhile, his star teammate at BC and top 10 draft pick B.J. Raji also had a very disappointing year with only 25 tackles in 14 games. Peria Jerry was the 2nd DT off the board and got injured. Evander Hood was the 3rd DT drafted and didn't contribute much. It doesn't mean they're all busts. But perhaps our expectations are a bit unreasonable for a first-year DT.
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    That is quite an understatement.
    Wright played more snaps than any DL on the team.
    He also led the DL in sack and QB pressures.
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    Does anyone know if brace lost any wgt.?
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    And yet he gets little or no mention?
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    From who? You can bet he will get a lot of playing time.
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    Did anyone post/see any reports of him getting in better shape this offseason? If he hasn't done anything to improve himself physically, I have a hard time seeing him being any good at DE.

    I didn't like him being picked and am still very much on the Ron Brace Bust Bandwagon(holy alliteration, Batman!) mostly because he looked so sluggish off the line and really slow to react to plays. He got significant play in the Buffalo game but even then didn't do anything to get me to change my mind. It is good to hear that he's getting reps at different positions, though.
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