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  1. 363839

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    Was he even in the AFCCG last year?
    I watched the game last night and I don't remember
    his name being called.
    Were the COlts without him?
    Or did the Pats effectively game plan him out?
    Anyone?
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    Re: Bob Sanders ?

    Yes, he played.
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    Re: Bob Sanders ?

    He was one of the main reason Indy's run D improved so much in the second half of the season when he returned. He's listed at 5-8/206 so he's probably more like 5-7/190 but he has no regard whatsoever for his own body and think nothing of lauching himself into the intended target. I'm not sure how he'll fare against Randy, Dante and Wes though. All for different reasons.
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    Re: Bob Sanders ?

    Despite his dimunitive size, he's a reckless tackler. Reads offenses unerringly and is very fast to the target avoids blockers and most always makes a solid tackle. His only downside is that his style of play gets him banged up.

    The Colts are a much weaker D with him out.
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    Re: Bob Sanders ?

    I always here of Bob Sanders as a run stuffer, what about in the passing game?
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    Re: Bob Sanders ?

    If you watch our last offensive play, the incomplete pass to Troy Brown, it's Sanders who comes flying in to break it up :(
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    Re: Bob Sanders ?

    I remember him knocking down (and nearly picking off) a Brady pass on a 3rd down intended for Troy Brown with a few minutes left. His coverage keeps the Pats from running out the clock, and Manning led Indy to the winning points as soon as he got the ball back.

    Big play.

    Ben Watson had a pretty good game though, and Sanders was probably covering him on most plays.
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    Re: Bob Sanders ?

    ...and he came real close to picking it for 6. In hindsight, maybe that would have been best since the Colts scored anyway...more time on the clock for the Pats to retake the lead.

    Regards,
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    Re: Bob Sanders ?

    unfortunately, hes getting hurt this week again...and the colts begin their spiral down for the next couple of weeks
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    Re: Bob Sanders ?

    Hopefully the deep threat will keep him out of the box on Sunday and busy downfield. Or I'll take it the other way. That being having Sanders too busy in the box and leaving the deep passes down the field open.
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    Re: Bob Sanders ?


    NOBODY is getting hurt this week - either team!

    (Unless you count Polian's cardiac arrest.)
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    Re: Bob Sanders ?

    He came real close to picking it off, but he was diving to the ground in order to make the attempt, so I don't know if he would have been able to get back on his feet and take it in, without being tackled first.
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    Re: Bob Sanders ?

    Dude is a badass....gotta keep him accounted for.
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    Re: Bob Sanders ?

    Alright Nostradamus, don't go getting prophetical!
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    Re: Bob Sanders ?

    most overrated player in the NFL, other than the one who 'went to the dogs' and won't be playing for a few years.
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    Re: Bob Sanders ?

    You think? I think he's a beast. Funny though, on ESPN (think it was Salisbury) they were naming who the thought the best defensive player was, they mentioned Sanders, but then decided on Sean Taylor. I giggled because he was such a non factor.
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    Re: Bob Sanders ?

    Hello Pat Fans, good luck on Sunday. Must be great to be in the Boston area right now!

    As for Bob, he is maybe more important than Freeney to the defense, imho he's a true difference maker in coverage, run support, and basically toughness/swagger.

    Speaking of defense, is Seymour up to speed and is has Rodney Harrison shown any drop off?? Also, is Mayweather, rookie safety I believe, getting time since Harrison is back, if so how has he looked?

    Lastly, has any team tried to play Nickel as the base defense against the Pats this year? This seems like something to try since Brady and Co has been completely unstoppable. (and to think I was disappointed to get Moss in my fantasy draft!!)
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    Re: Bob Sanders ?

    Have you met Jules at the indystar board?? She says Maroney is mediocre. In not so many words, I told her she was full of ****, get it?
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    Re: Bob Sanders ?

    Sey did not look up to speed to me last Sunday. Saw only limited action. That could be just easing him back as he was certainly not 'needed' against the Skins.

    Merry got hardly any PT as he's a rook buried on the depth chart.

    Hard to say about 'base' D but teams have fielded enough guys to double Moss, The Skins did double Moss most of the game. Result 45 offensive points.
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    Re: Bob Sanders ?

    Thanks, I really suspect that with Moss, can't contain him for a whole game. I think the Colts D will try to keep him to underneath stuff and come up and hit him on short gains, but Moss is so elusive its hard to think about someone getting a clean lick on him.

    I think the thing that worries me from a Colts standpoint is I have not seen Brady get touched the few times I've seen Pat games this year, the Pats line just hasn't seemed to allow anyone to get to him.

    Just a side note from my perspective, if the Purdue kid lines up across from the Right tackle and rushes, Diem has struggled two of the seven games this year in a big way, imho.

    From the Colts perspective.... Hobbs looks vulnerable and if he get Safety help, Addai, Clark, and Utecht the tight ends will be in single coverage with a Linebacker, that seems like an advantage.

    And lastly, Bob Sanders is the X factor, he had 2.5 sacks in one game this year, other games with picks and knock downs, several big tackles for losses on 3rd and 4th and short. Also the Colts corners are twice the tacklers and hitters that David and Harper where in those spots last year.

    So anyway, all just my opinion, unsolicited. Do you all see Asanti Samual as that same thing, the straw that stirs the drink so to speak?
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    Re: Bob Sanders ?

    Bob Sanders is a beast! He's the one guy on the Colts that I wished played for the Patriots.
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    Re: Bob Sanders ?

    Sanders is excellent at reading the play quickly and getting into the best position to make a play. He's small and fast but hits hard, and like I said, he's smart. The Colts D is NOT the same without him and the Colts know it, that's why they don't practice him as much this season.

    Now one thing that I'll be interested to see this Sunday is how well Bob does against a more balanced attack (leaning toward heavy passing attack). Sanders has had the benefit this season of playing against teams that have virtually no passing attack so he's free to do what he does best - sit in the box and blow up the RB. Even when he drops back into coverage he's dealing with sub-par QBs or receivers which gives him a cushion....
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    Re: Bob Sanders ?

    AJ, why would you say this? Everytime I watch Indy this
    guy is just all over the place. He seems to have a sixth sense
    of when it's going to be pass or run as he is on many plays whether it's a run or a pass.
    That is why I asked the question. He seemed to be not so prevalent in the AFCCG. DO you think BB knows his weekness and exploited it in the AFCCG?

    BTW Belichickfan. The last offensive play of the game for the Pats was an interception. It wasn't Sanders who made it.

    I just read your next entry AJ. Thanks. Sounds logical to me.
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    No I dont get what that has to do with this.
    I think Maroneys ability is much higher than mediocre but his production has not yet been. (A starting RB in the NFL passes mediocre around 1300 yards).

    Sanders is extremely overrated. He is not a bad player, but he gets way too much credit for run defense. Safeties are SUPPORT in run defense not run stoppers. If you scheme to bring them up, and scheme to keep blockers off of them, they can make a lot of tackles. Sanders is not fighting through blockers to make tackles, he is just carrying out his assignment in the defense. Pass defense is a much larger gauge in assessing a safety, and he is not fantastic in pass defense.

    Many talking heads are making Sanders sound like he is Dick Butkus or Jack Lambert. Essentially the Colt defense is designed for him to be unblocked at the point of attack. What he gets are the scraps left over if the rest of the D does their job, or the tackle on a longer gain if they do not.
    That is the epitome of overated.
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    Re: Bob Sanders ?

    Uh . . . yeah . . . . OK :rolleyes:
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    pound for pound, the best defensive player in the game.. He actually may be the best defensive player in the game regardless of size.
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    Re: Bob Sanders ?

    See what I must wrote in response to another post.
    When the defense sets you up to make the play, you are just getting the job done, not playing great.

    Rodney was the same way in SD. I thought he was one of the most overated players in the league there. The scheme dicatated that he was free to make a lot of tackles. Not that he wasnt a great player, but he was overrated. A safety does not stop the run, a safety cleans up at the end of the team carrying out its defensive assignments. Depending on what team you are on and what their scheme is, a safety can make a lot of tackles just being on the field, while a better player at the same position in a different scheme willhave very different responsibiliites.
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    You guys are completely out of your mind.
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    In my opinion, Bob Sanders is an incredible football player. His run stopping is usually not from the box, it's usually from 12 yards back in the secondary. He reads plays very well, and is frighteningly explosive. Because most run plays are drawn up to get a hat on the line and the backers before transfering to the downfield blocks, he is often free to come nuking into the holes.

    He hits to stop momentum and is a very, very sure tackler. His technique is flawless, keeping the explosion through his hips and driving well after the tackle. Even when he can't put a shoulder on a player, he usually makes the tackle. He's got quite a few unbelievable shoe-strings under his belt.

    A big reason why he is so productive in the run game is also why he is an asset in coverage. His hips. He has explosive and very fluid hips. He gets in and out of cuts very well. To watch him move to the ball is amazing. In that defense, he is often allow to remain back and break to the play, often perfectly seperating the ball from the reciever. He has sure hands and can jump out of the building. It's not rare to see him win jump-balls with recievers four inches his senior. In addition, because he is so explosive, he is less vulnerable to double-moves. He rarely wastes a step, but when he does, he is athletic enough to recover and still be around the ball.

    How I would beat him is to run directly at him. Scheme the guards onto the backers, and allow Kyle Brady to put a hat on Sanders. Force him to commit to an inside run to negate his persuit skills and use Brady in an H-Back role. Motion him through the hole and assign him to hit Sanders head on. Allow the back to run at Brady's feet and make his cut off of that. Once they get smart to this, have Brady do some backside pulls and try to free up the playside sweep or bubble screen.
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