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    So if he's sitting there trying to decide between two offers, that must mean that the offers are fairly close to each other I would assume? (Or they're not close and he's holding out for more with GB and keeping NE as the fallback plan?) I can't wait to see the numbers on this when it's settled.
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    I might be the only one, but I find it hilarious that everyone else has given up on Vinatieri. This has to come as a real surprise to him. Seems that people's opinion of him outside of Boston isn't quite as skewed.
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    For someone that seemed eager to leave a little more then a week ago he surely has quieted down a lot. Maybe being smacked by reality is not sitting to well with him?

    I can't see either team approaching the 3 mil mark. Honestly I would have a hard time believing it but I wouldn't be shocked if it comes in somewhere near 2.75 mil. But 2.5 is were my guess is.
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    I just heard Dale and Holley say that Vinatieri has fired his agent. Can't find a link though. Can anyone confirm? And, more importantly, what does that mean if true?
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    It means that he's extremely arrogant and the fact that nobody thinks he's worth what he thinks he is is tearing him up.
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    Used the agent to find out the deals, and dumped him so he can be his own agent and save 4-5%.
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    That's OK Adam take your time. We should get atleast 5 more threads from this debating if you are worth keeping or if you should go. They will all sound like the 20 threads before, but what the hell.

    What ever you decide to do make sure you tell us it's not about the money. I don't know if I could take another shot of David Givens honestly, coming from a sports figure, in one week.
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    I don't get it, why would he take GB over NE, even if the money was slightly better in GB. He's going to be playing in conditions which are just as bad if not worse then New England. Green Bay is not a contender. They have a qb who's best years are well behind him, and a second year qb that hasn't gotten it yet. Any difference in money could surey be made up in endorsements (Boston vs Green bay market). I've lost count of how much Superbowl winners share is, not to mention what another game winning field goal would bring him. So unless there is a third team out there I don't see how he signs with Green Bay.
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    However it settles ... Adam has spent the past few weeks
    diligently discarding quite a bit of his large store of goodwill in New England.

    All those endorsements, and the broadcast future, etc.
    may not be worth as much now as they were last month.
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    I hope he comes back - at our price - but it's time for him to sh!t or get off the pot.
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    That may be true...miscalculated...but I would like to see him back..despite what I see is a bit of drama and big headedness...If He's back..fine if not BB has plan B.
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    I'm actually more intrigued the item on Dwight, who has barely been discussed this offseason. Any indications whether the Patriots are interested in re-signing him? Seemed like a good solid utility player.
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    His agent had been suspended. Maybe he was trying to go it alone, without representation from an agent and now realizes he cant. I would assume he would have to fire his suspended agent to hire another one.

    IMO, Adam's pride would make it tough for him to come back to the Pats.
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    ...Ahhh.....Branch, Caldwell, Johnson, Boet-something and Tiny Tim - wow, scarey.

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    I agree - seems to me the bloom is rapidly vanishing off of the AV rose. Am I alone here, but AV is really pissing me off. If you wanna leave - go - we will survive without you, but please, stop playing both ends against the middle.
    I realize I have written that there is no realy hurry, I am just sick of this roller coaster already.

    And BB - if you or your press monitors happen to read this - restore some goodwill for yourself and SIGN Troy Brown already.
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    I don't think people on this board realize that the wider public perception on Adam isn't nearly as skewed against him. The vast majority of Pats fans (who we apparently don't represent all that well) want him back period.

    People here choose to continue to ignore the fact that if we offered him a deal that keeps him the highest paid with no guarantees or signing bonus, we essentially offered him ZERO. It's more fun to bash the greedy ingrate player. That's a deal most any franchise can top. Including us by simply adding in the requesite signing bonus. If Adam leaves because we don't, then PR spin aside he will have been forced out. NO KICKER WORTH HAVING TAKES THAT DEAL. Because all it really is is a series of one year highest salary non guaranteed deals the team can opt out of with no cap consequence beginning as soon as the day after he signs the deal. Remember in the NFL nothing is guaranteed save the signing bonus.

    If Adam fired his agent it is likely because he did not do a good job of managing this kickers market or because the player is hearing feedback from club and other sources that indicate the agent is misrepresenting their offers to him. This is not his former agent who was suspended - however it is a partner in the same firm whom Adam only agreed to stay with about a month ago. And BTW the NFLPA limits an agents take to 3%.
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    He had already replaced his suspended agent with another agent that worked for his original agent... so it was a guy from the same office that he just fired.

    I understand the frustration we're all feeling just waiting for the other shoe to drop, but he's done nothing concrete to piss us off. I think a lot of people are getting angry at him over speculation and wild guesses. Yeah, on the surface it can be painted that he's playing the greedy ingrate, and yeah it seems like there's something going on between him and the front office, but we don't KNOW for sure. But such is life as a New England fan... locked out of the information flow and left to guess.

    Now if he confirms that speculation by doing something like signing with GB for the same or less than we offer, or doesn't give us a chance to match, THEN I'll be pissed off. Otherwise, as annoying as it is, it's just gotta be wait and see for me.

    (I reserve the right to pull a complete flip-flop on this attitude if he picks up a Rosenhaus or Poston type agent)


    Do I want him back? Hell yeah, for a reasonable price.

    Yeah, I want Dwightning back too, especially if we don't bring Troy Brown back, I think he can help on our PR again this year, and can stretch the field once in a while.

    What are the guesses about this one? We offered him Vet Min with no bonus and he's shopping for better?
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    Who says the financial offers are in the same ballpark?

    My hunch is that the GB offer may be significantly more and the Adam is weighing the NE external advantages.
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    If GB was significantly more, he would have signed when he was over there.
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    I think it's far too early to speculate on Adam. Let him decide his own future. The only tell is that the Patriots have placed the franchise tag on him twice already - that right there says negotiations don't necessarily come easy with him. I could list off a myriad of guesses why AV hasn't signed yet, including pride, price, and perhaps maybe he doesn't want to face the expectations placed on him anymore - but that would be speculation only.

    Free agency runs through the end of July. That means there is plenty of time, for both sides. IMHO, Vinatieri could even wait until the 2006 season starts and grab himself a high paying one year deal from a desperate team.
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    I dunno....if they're even, he would've re-signed here in a heartbeat. My guess is that GB's offer is enough over the NE offer that he is now weighing all the externals (i.e. media, endorsements, long-term lifestyle, etc).

    OTOH, GB is closer to South Dakota.
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    Good points all. But what happens when either NE, GB, or both get tired of the drama and sign other kickers for 2 million or so?

    1) AV loses leverage and may well sign an offer for less than he's been offered already, or

    2) AV doesn't play this year, as all jobs are taken. Of course, if that happened, a team would cut their kicker immediately and sign Adam, but then that reverts to the first point.

    Unless Adam is comfortable not getting paid this year, it's a dangerous game if he's playing it like you suggest.
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    I've seen this mentioned here before. He lives in Florida now, near Orlando. I don't know how much of the SD thing comes into play in regards to his decision.
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    Excellent points. We as Patriots fans applaud the Patriots' slow and methodical approach to free agency. I do not understand why when a player shows the same characteristics he gets criticized. This could be the last big contract for Adam. If I were him, I would ensure that I had all the facts before I made such a momental decision. I would not rush my decision just to placate impatient fans.
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    Excellent post. I think what we're experiencing here is an "Internet message board frenzy". What IS the big rush on this? Plenty of pro sports heroes have even sat out parts of a season to get what they wanted. Joe DiMaggio did it for, want to say, $25K in 1939 or so. There was no free agency then, but the Yankees could have tried to trade Joe. Yeah, right.
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    The only thing I know is that if he does come back all of the negative comments about him will disappear, and you will never be able to find anyone who, when the love Adam threads reappear, will say they wanted him gone because he had a bad attitude.

    His 'goodwill' will be back to normal the second he inks the deal, or at least the first time he kicks a FG.
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    So true. LOL;)
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    I doubt you'll find anyone who would be unhappy to have him back . . . but you will find a good number who'll be upset if we overpay him.
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    Exactly. And if he should sign with GB or another team, he will be demonized.

    It will be said that we are better off without him and that he is not the best clutch kicker in football anymore. That's already taken place in some degree on this board.

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