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  1. Patters

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    http://www.guardian.co.uk/syria/story/0,,1835385,00.html

    Tony Blair called for a fundamental reappraisal of British and US foreign policy yesterday, admitting that excessive emphasis on military power and failure to address the Palestinian issue had left the west losing the battle for hearts and minds in the Middle East.

    In a speech to the World Affairs Council in Los Angeles, the prime minister admitted "we are far from persuading those we need to persuade" that western values were even-handed, fair and just in their application. He said there was no point disguising the damage being done to the cause of peace in the Middle East by the war on the Lebanese border, but suggested that when the war finally ended "we must commit ourselves to a complete renaissance of our strategy to defeat those that threaten us".

    Tony Blair called for a fundamental reappraisal of British and US foreign policy yesterday, admitting that excessive emphasis on military power and failure to address the Palestinian issue had left the west losing the battle for hearts and minds in the Middle East.

    In a speech to the World Affairs Council in Los Angeles, the prime minister admitted "we are far from persuading those we need to persuade" that western values were even-handed, fair and just in their application. He said there was no point disguising the damage being done to the cause of peace in the Middle East by the war on the Lebanese border, but suggested that when the war finally ended "we must commit ourselves to a complete renaissance of our strategy to defeat those that threaten us".
     
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    This is exactly what I've been talking about.

    Everything we have done and are doing is losing the hearts and minds of the Muslim people. We think we're fair, just, and liberating them, but they think the opposite. At this point we've probably got hundreds of millions of people over there pissed off at us.

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    They've been pissed at us (the West) since the time of the crusades, noting new here.
     
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    How dare they be pissed at us for the Crusades, those were for their own good! But since they're already pissed, we might as well keep pissing them off, huh?
     
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    And were things better on September 11, 2001..? I guess only 19 people were pissed at us back then.
     
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    Yep. Thirty years and more of fighting the IRA taught us that there are no easy, short term solutions. We tried the Special Forces thing (send them in to execute every one associated with the IRA) and took the conflict backwards, making more enemies along the way.
    He makes a good statesman but gets obsessed with the "Special Relationship". I suspect this is for our consumption; a lot of people on both sides of the political spectrum are beginning to question why it is that we follow your foreign policy so slavishly. In fact, it is the majority of the country. It is worth pointing out that his popularity here is at an all time low.
     
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    Actually, we were making strides in a few places where moderate Muslims appreciated us and supported us. Now, most are silent and many have begun to embrace the more radical wings explanation that the west is out to conquer them.

    What could have given them that idea??
     
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    The only way to right that wrong is to keep flattening the Middle East, eventually they'll get it, right?
     
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    Not just flattening, we need to take whatever it is that is in our interest there. We wouldn't be there if there wasn't something in it for us, right?

    Or, are we just blinded by the right?
     
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    The thinking goes, "The Middle East wouldn't be there if there wasn't something in it for us".

    Seriously, it seems the administration and their apologists have a collective case of schizophrenia on this one. Nobody can decide whether our goal is to make America secure, or whether its to help the Middle Eastern people. They can't both be our goal (one might be a consequence of the other, but nobody seems really sure about what we set out to do).
     
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    The more all Americans learn about oil trading, the IMF, dollar currency, and US hegemony, the more we will realize that most of our actions in the Middle East have little to do with Christianity vs. Islam, or Spreading Democracy, or Osama Bin Laden. Those are just slogans/ideas for casual people to recite at the water cooler.

    Do yourself a huge favor and read this February 2006 speech by Congressman Ron Paul:
    http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2006/cr021506.htm

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    Care to give 'examples' of this wonderful progress?

    Frankly the fact that many of the Arab states denounced the Hezbollah agression in their unproviked agression against Israel was real progress, IMO and gee that happened with us in Iraq. HMMMM...Don't ever remember any of the Gulf states denouncing any atrocity by either Hamas or Hexbollah.

    BTW the Euy has given massive amounts of aid to the Palestinians and Israel pulled out of Gaza and large portions of the West Bank, how'd that work out in terms of causing the Paleistinians to be more civil?
     
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    Hezbollah came about in the mid-1980s (perhaps part of Reagan's legacy) and progress in the Middle East (specifically Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and some of the Gulf States) started under Carter. The reason some Arab nations criticized Hezbelloh has to do with their worries about Iran, a country that swung right for the same reasons we did -- because of irrational fears.

    Seems like progress has been made. Hamas has actually made some overtures, though I'm sure Israel's over-reaction will set things back a little.
     
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    Blair is a cowardly tool, and he wears Bush's collar and is lead by his leash. Sorry to put it this way, but the Brits and Americans really need to grow a pair and get rid of both of these losers, but you Brits really need to begin acting more like England and less like our little pet. I wish your country luck in your quest for independence.
     
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    Your racism is beginning to reek in your posts, but nonetheless you mentioned some of the progress yourself in that arab states have not backed Hezbollahs attacks. Much progress was made. Need another example. Recall, if you will, the coalition we had during Desert Storm. Are you even old enough to remember that? That would never have been possible 30 years ago.

    Now, back to your history lessons.
     
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    Yep, I agree with that. Blair is on his way out. How quickly he goes may no longer be his choice.
     
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    Well the Coalition in Desert Storm was a good thing, but comparing Arab states reacting to Arab on Arab agression with getting Arab states to acknowledge aggression against Jews is silly.

    I see you will allude to the race card since you can't make a chherent argument. Pathetic.
     
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    Your argument is weak, and your inherent racism is obvious for anyone to see. I'm sorry for pointing it out to you. Progress in the ME can be seen in other ways as well. Lebanon being the best example. Tehran, in spite of their nutjob clerical leadership, has highly advanced technological and educational infrastructure and alot of western influence has infiltrated there among its youth.
     
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