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    Per Reiss:

    Sorting out the RBs - Reiss' Pieces - Boston.com

    Should be interesting to see how this shakes out, then...
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    Re: BJGE does NOT have practice squad eligibility.

    I was surprised to see this. Is it because he played too much last year?
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    I agree JSN, it will be interesting. I've read at PatriotsInsiders that the Patriots are SERIOUSLY checking out the running backs in this year's draft. They report that they have spent a lot of time scouting Rashad Jennings. FWIW, they report that even though they signed Fred Taylor, they are still looking for another young running back of the future.
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    Re: BJGE does NOT have practice squad eligibility.

    He was active in 9 games last year per nfl.com. The minimum number of games to not be eligible for the PS. Whether he is cut or put on the PS next year he would of ended up on another team most likely.
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    I don't think he would've ended up making it to the practice squad anyway. I'm a big BJGE supporter, I really think he did everything asked of him last yr--and then some. If we end up drafting a RB, I seriously wouldn't be surprised if they're considering making a move with Maroney. Unless we could find a way to get him the ball in space finally, he's about a waste--presently, and in the future.

    I'm all for giving him one more yr to prove himself, but if we end up drafting a RB the team may be starting to get impatient. I know the thought of keeping BJGE over Maroney seems crazy at first, but BJGE has shown he can handle the load. I know we need to see more before deciding for sure, but BJGE has honestly shown me more right now than Maroney, talent and hype aside. Unless BB and the staff know something else about Morris' injury last yr than meets the eye. He sure did miss alot of time for what appeared to be a small, minor-ish type of injury. One thing's for sure, our RB committee is gonna provide a lot of good competition and that is certainly a very good thing. When all is said and done, chances are that BB will end up dumping BJGE. That's at least the odds on favorite probably, if we draft someone earlier, rather than later.
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    Re: BJGE does NOT have practice squad eligibility.

    It's kind of a moot point because based on his performance last year, he will not get through waivers.

    Having Maroney 4th on the depth chart is pretty ludicrous.
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    Re: BJGE does NOT have practice squad eligibility.

    Cutting Maroney would increase the Pats cap. There is no advantage of cutting Maroney except for the roster space. He has teased too much his ability to play like an elite back to give up the roster spot IMHO.

    Besides, it is silly to say that Ben Jarvis-Green Ellis has shown you more than Maroney. BJGE has rushed for over 100 yards once and has had a game over 4.0 YPC once (well twice if you count a game where he rushed for 9 yards in two carries). Maroney has shown more than BJGE in the last 5 or 6 games of 2007 than BJGE has shown in his entire rookie season.

    Now that doesn't mean Maroney hasn't been a disapointment or BJGE hasn't shown a lot of promise. But Maroney has shown flashes of being an elite RB granted they have been few and far between. Let's not overstate how bad Maroney has been and how great BJGE has been just because Maroney is a first round pick and BJGE is an undrafted free agent. If BJGE was drafted in the first round, he would be called a bust right now and if Maroney was undrafted, he would be labeled a steal.

    Since there is no cap advantage in releasing Maroney, I think that gives him the upper hand. Maroney is still a better back than BJGE. Let's not forget that BJGE had only 31 rushing yards the last 7 games of the season and was a healthy scratch for many of them.

    BJGE is a product of a player with absolutely no expectations who performed outstanding for a couple game stretch. Maroney is a product of extremely high expectations that were far from met.

    Don't forget a lot of people had Mike Cloud being the next Priest Holmes after a game where he excelled a few years back.
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    Re: BJGE does NOT have practice squad eligibility.

    BTW, I don't know if Reiss is correct in one thing. I don't know if Maroney is going to be the #4 RB. I still think he is given one last shot to compete for the starting role.
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    Re: BJGE does NOT have practice squad eligibility.

    Let me just say this—if the Patriots draft a RB, they're going to trade a RB. I wouldn't be surprised if it's BJGE.
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    Re: BJGE does NOT have practice squad eligibility.

    I'm sure that either McDaniels or Pioli would trade for BJGE. McDaniels is collecting RBs like the Pats do here and Pioli is going to dump Larry Johnson either by cutting him or trading him now that the Chiefs have won the grievance against them.

    I don't think anyone has won the starting role in New England. If I had to guess it would be between Morris and Maroney with Maroney given the opportunity to win the starting job in the preseason, but it being Morris' if he doesn't.
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    Yeah, I was trying to 'blend' my argument a little more, and not make it so one-sided, but I guess my bias for BJGE overtakes that. I obviously agree, and fully understand the cap implications, and do agree that Maroney would be kept. I stated that was the odds on favorite, I was just giving my personal view on how Green-Ellis stepped in with no problem, excelled making no obvious mistakes, etc. He seemed to provide some shiftiness, and quickness, without so much hesitation that Maroney has brought. For what he was asked, I think he deserves more of a look, and if the cap hit implications weren't favoring keeping Maroney, I feel BJGE would've had a better chance.

    That said, the important thing is that whatever happens, it's one more position that seems to have a better look--with more competition. Someone who is still pretty darn good will have to be cut on a lot of our positions, and that is the general idea, to provide as much competition and depth as possible. I think that's why we see so many castoffs go to other teams. But yeah, you are right in your assessment of Maroney. But it is this yr or bust for him, and that's just not my opinion. He's as close to a bust as I wanna have at this point, and his possible #4 spot on the depth chart proves this. He certainly isn't any better than a #3--maybe a rotational #2, depending on his training camp.

    EDIT: No, the more I think about it, he should and will--have the chance to compete for the starting role. It will be a limited starting role, however, with the addition of Taylor, the emergence of Morris as a bruiser, and the 3rd down role of Faulk. I wonder what would happen however, if we drafted a burner high, and he really stepped up in camp. I could only imagine the possibilities, and I really think that BB likes the running back by committee theory, it keeps everyone a little fresher for the stretch run come Dec.-Jan.
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    Well that could be a problem. We have 3 injury prone RB's and Faulk who will become injury prone if he's the only healthy back at some point. So we either need to keep him on the roster or cut him and draft another to keep on the PS (not sure if or how that would hurt/help us financially). I'm likely in the minority but honestly I wasn't too thrilled about the Taylor signing. I mean I hope it really works out but I really think the multi-million could have been more useful towards extending one of next year's expiring contracts. Plus with Brady it's not hard to find a RB who can produce (see: Antowain Smith, BJGE).

    Either way I'm sure the offense will be fine, just thought some youth would have been cheaper and probably a safer bet to stay healthy.
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    Re: BJGE does NOT have practice squad eligibility.

    I think Reiss is nuts! Green Ellis is competing for the #4 spot with Maroney!?! You gotta be kidding me - Maroney is the likely opening day starter, and Green-Ellis isn't even sure of a roster spot.

    Maroney only played three games last year due to an injury. But he's a first round pick, he's just 24 (the same age as Green-Ellis!), and he hasn't forgotten how to run. Green-Ellis had 3.7 YPC last year on 74 ATT; Maroney has 4.3 YPC on 388 ATT for his career.
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    Yeah I don't know where that idea of Maroney as 4th on the depth chart is coming from. If he's healthy, I'd imagine at worst he will get the second most touches after Morris.
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    Yeah, you are right, we probably are in the minority. I wasn't all that thrilled about the Taylor signing either, especially for the money. We all know what he has done, but I question just where he really fits in on our RB committee. I will agree with you there--but hopefully he still has something left, and it'll turn out to be a good signing. I guess we can't have too many RB's, since we always seem to go through them every year! (remember Heath Evans starting in '05:rolleyes:)
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    Re: BJGE does NOT have practice squad eligibility.

    Perhaps Reiss is spending too much time reading this board.
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    I was thinking the same thing. Imagine having injury problems, still averaging 4.3-4.5 a carry and being a disappointment. Wow.

    I'll grant his style and the Pats blocking scheme haven't meshed, but I see Taylor and Maroney splitting carries with Morris as utility and FB. I really think they hope Taylor will give him some schooling. He just has way too much upside for the Pats to dump him unless his attitude sucks, and it doesn't.

    Sorry, the Pats don't just throw players away.
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    ... or maybe BJGE isn't that good.
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    Could Maroney possibly be traded come the draft? I think its certainly a possibility especially when I read we could be drafting a RB with one of the Top 100 picks. I think its only fair to say hes 4th-5th on the depth chart right now being hes coming off IR and we have Taylor need to say anymore, Morris who has been an excellent power runner when not injured in a freak play, Faulk who is just clutch, and BJGE who came in and did not disappoint when he was needed. As for the practice squad eligibility I figured this would happen.
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    I hope you're not referring to me because I was actually suggesting trading him when I said "make a move." I have seen many many threads and posts on the disappointment of Maroney. And I wasn't saying that BJGE is the second coming of Curtis Martin, I was only saying that he stepped in where needed, and we didn't miss a beat in the running game. He was certainly more of a Patriots type player (come in, do what you're asked, and STFU) than Maroney as a 21st overall has been. My whole point was that he deserved a longer look, what else could he have done to deserve it?

    I'm not sure of the stats but I thought our rushing attack was like 6th overall in the NFL, and we had the 3rd best franchise rushing attack ever--without Maroney. I said that the odds on favorite was that we would keep him, I even said he deserved competition for the starting role.

    But if you're trying to tell me that our team is happy with their 1st rd pick, and they think he's reached expectations, and is our back of the future still--I think there has been some doubt from day one. If we just signed Taylor, use Morris as a bruiser type FB, and Faulk on 3rd down--then is his expected production really of that much value. Hell, I just saw a couple threads last wk about totally cutting him for a cap hit.
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