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    NATO official: Bin Laden, deputy hiding in northwest Pakistan - CNN.com


    Kabul, Afghanistan (CNN) -- Osama bin Laden and his deputy Ayman al-Zawahiri are believed to be hiding close to each other in houses in northwest Pakistan, but are not together, a senior NATO official said.

    "Nobody in al Qaeda is living in a cave," said the official, who declined to be named because of the sensitivity of the intelligence matters involved.
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    I read this earlier, i do think hes alive and that people who say he died years ago are wrong.
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    I still think he is dead, and this is a WMD moment.
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    My man B.D. started!

    And for once the "12th man" showed up!

    What a perfect day. The only thing that would have made it better is if the Jets did not get a win because of a PI call.

    Do you think McGowan will be back next year? My handle is going to look really silly when some of these guys move on!
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    Analysis: NATO points finger at Pakistan - CNN.com

    This is the first time in many, many years that the finger has been pointed so blatantly at Pakistan. If you look at Bob Woodward's book "Obama's War," one of the things Barack Obama has wanted to do is point the finger at Pakistan and say "the problem is there" whether it is terror training camps or home to bin Laden.

    It seems to be part of an effort to put the focus on Pakistan.




    this whole thing stinks
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    i alluded to this sort of crap in pakistan in a thread I started several weeks ago. They know everything about everything ... effectively we are aiding them with millions of dollars so our men can be killed. That is what i said in the thread and it's what I say now.

    This is an outrage ... and it was an outrage under Bush also. So they allow us to kill some lollipop terrorists here and there so we can continue to give them money which they need to stay equal to India. Our men can be safe but Pakistan lets them be killed to appease the Taliban. Everyone appeasing everyone while good people continue to die for no reason.
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    you are absolutely correct.
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    Pakistan is a very scary place, and soon they will be the 4th largest country in the world... this coupled with their location and a nuclear reactor, could prove to be mighty interesting...

    Find it odd that this info on OBL is reported in the news, weren't we sold some bill of goods about Homeland Security about 7-8 years ago that if we spent all of this money, then we could deal with the Bin Ladens of the world?? Just more money spent on a government whose sole function is to perpetuate itself.

    Shouldn't all of our layers of security know about this????
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    But based on what?

    Seriously. Where is the video evidence of this man still breathing on planet Earth?

    Where are the investigative journalists permitted into his inner-sanctum like Peter L. Bergen was? Al-Jazeera can't get an exclusive? Asia Times? Surely SOMEONE would be covering this story in this age of immediate media technology.

    I have little doubt he's quite dead.
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    Someday Bin Laden will probably be a "Folk Hero" to America's far left Wing liberals, someday you may even see him as a guest on The View being slobbered and gushed over by lovely Whoopi and that Joy Thing.
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    Hey its just my opinion, i can't prove that hes alive just like you can't prove that hes dead. All i can say is that someone that has his voice print is still putting out audio tapes. Now i believe that there is technology out there used by agencies like the CIA, NSA, Mi6 for example, that are beyond our wildest dreams, and maybe they have something that can mimic OBL's voice. (So they can keep scaring the mass's and then ask for more money, keep the gravy train rolling) But its easier just to think that the voice recordings are real, and that hes still alive in Northern Pakistan.
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    If he's dead, then the military doesn't know about it.
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    The big eye opener was several months ago when Pakistan brought in a few dozen of them for questioning. The media and others less informed were all excited ... Pakistan was ready to act.

    Well the rest of the story was we were making a deal with the Taliban without Pakistan's approval. so they brought those people in to stop the process. The message was delivered, the negotiations stopped and all were released. If Obama and company didn't learn from that they will never learn.
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    The military has a mandate. And on matters of intel, they know what they're allowed to know. The CIA isn't convinced he's alive.

    I talked with Anthony Shaffer a few weeks ago on FB. He believes UBL is still alive. But then, he also doubts UBL ever had advanced renal failure.
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    i think he's alive ... but he's more like Prince charles at this point in the game ... just a figurehead.
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    So what if the CIA gave the military intel about Bin Laden?
    Hypothetically...
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    Mmmm... thread necromancy...

    anyhoo, ... we all understand that this proves nothing ... either way.

    let's just say maybe that we can add it to the mountain of circumstantial evidence that suggests the overall UBL story was a bit of a sham.

    but considering it's from the ultra-careful Associated Press, I'd say it's worth noting, ... and, you might say a bit of a bombshell. ... Especially if a braver, yet still reputable news outlet picks this up and goes all the way with it (finally)... Someone like Slate, or The Nation, etc.

    E-mails say no sailors watched bin Laden’s burial at sea after SEAL raid

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...8fd22a-3446-11e2-92f0-496af208bf23_story.html

    WASHINGTON — Internal e-mails among U.S. military officers indicate that no sailors watched Osama bin Laden’s burial at sea from the USS Carl Vinson and traditional Islamic procedures were followed during the ceremony.
    The e-mails, obtained by The Associated Press through the Freedom of Information Act, are heavily blacked out, but are the first public disclosure of government information about the al-Qaida leader’s death. The e-mails were released Wednesday by the Defense Department.
    ...

    Although the Obama administration has pledged to be the most transparent in American history, it is keeping a tight hold on materials related to the bin Laden raid. In a response to separate requests from the AP for information about the mission, the Defense Department said in March that it could not locate any photographs or video taken during the raid or showing bin Laden’s body. It also said it could not find any images of bin Laden’s body on the Vinson.

    The Pentagon also said it could not find any death certificate, autopsy report or results of DNA identification tests for bin Laden, or any pre-raid materials discussing how the government planned to dispose of bin Laden’s body if he were killed.

    The Defense Department also refused to confirm or deny the existence of helicopter maintenance logs and reports about the performance of military gear used in the raid.

    Fail.

    All administrations lie.

    But like I said in another thread, degree matters.

    I have little doubt Obama - ever the pragmatist - would always maintain the Bush era fraud regarding tWoT, anyway. The mess created was too enormous to let out of the bag, and the truth would sink the country into despair. The UBL boogeyman was a loose end that always needed to be tied up, for year... And it was... very nicely with a big RW&B ribbon on top.

    Redaction is a beautiful thing. Take that, FOIA!
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    I was reading this thread, trying to figure out what kind of tinfoil hat stuff had occasioned its resurrection.

    Only higher ranking brass, evidently, watched the burial at sea. And this proves...?

    To some, it means that it was only brass that watched. Apparently they wanted it that way.

    To others, it seems to mean that it never happened.

    If it weren't that I know how certain, shall we say, speculative personalities function, I would have thought that the thread were resurrected to humiliate the people who were trumpeting their doubts that bin laden was still alive in October '10.

    Bin Laden's family saw him die and confirmed it in interviews. Guess they were paid off. There were photos of his dead self on the internet. Seals are alternately writing books about the operation and being "protected" because of their part in it. We lost a stealth helicopter in the attack, which I suppose was just our way to give the hardware to the Pakistani government?

    Bin laden was alive. Then we sent guys to kill him. Now he's dead.

    And the big reason for trying to re-coup from being wrong in October 2010 is... only high-ranking guys saw him buried at sea.

    Color me impressed.

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    I wouldn't believe anything out of this Obama administration, we should have killed him in "The Muslim Fashion" Carved His Head Off On The Today Show then burned his body on "Ground Zero"

    If Obama or Pant Suit Hillary tell you "it's a nice day out" put your raincoat on.
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    Running of sh1t huh Boy. So much so that you have to recycle crap from more than Two years ago.
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    Three drastic mistakes by the Bush tandem .... hindsight is 20/20 of course.

    1: Bush 1 had the opportunity to crush the republican guard. He of course would have had big cahones in doing so because the U.N. resolution said the war ended when it ended ... that would have been beyond the scope of what was agreed to. It was feared crushing them would tip the balance of power towards Iran ... like I said hindsight is 20/20 ... Bush 2 tipped it that way anyways.

    2: Bush 2 had a chance to capture and kill OBL as he fled for his life. Bush pulled Tommy Franks and then the 1000 or so marines and CIA people. He was hell bent on going into Iraq. What better way to divert American attention than to leave OBL alive ... 2 bad guys dominating the news was in Bush's feeble mind the best scenario for him to have war in Iraq.

    3: Bush let's Rumsfeld run and bungle the Iraq war. From letting the police go, to relieving the general that wanted 200,000 more troops, to using just in time supply lines ... the list goes on and on. The Iraq war was wrong to begin with but letting Rumsfeld push the military leaders aside was a disaster we are still paying for.

    Anyways ... 3 major mistakes by the Bush brothers and part of the result was that OBL lived way longer than he had a right to. The boogeyman always in the news reminding us of the travesty that was Bush 1 and Bush 2 .... we'll all be paying through our lifetimes and a lot of the wealth that could have been passed on to our family was removed from the economy.
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    Yup... in 2001-02. ... For which there's far more evidence.

    No one said a raid of somekind didn't happen on May 1, 2011.
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    You know Harry, I'll save the serious response for later, and just tell you what my gut says.

    What my gut says is that they should hook him up to electrodes, hook up the electrodes to a website with very very broadband access so the site is surge proof, advertise it for weeks, and let anybody who wants to sign on at the appointed time deliver 1/1000th of a volt of electricity by clicking the mouse button. So that's what, 1000 volts per 1 million simultaneous clicks. Sounds about right.

    Obviously, you'd be able to click until it was, ahem, no longer necessary.

    Okay, thank you, id. Ego and superego say, we got him, we buried him at sea, get over it and put away the tinfoil hats.

    PFnV
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    The world is not run by a group of conspirators.

    Is some stuff a conspiracy or is everything the result of conspiracies?

    JFK
    Vietnam
    RFK
    MLK
    Wall Street deregulation
    Iraq I
    September 11th
    Iraq II
    The Real Estate Boom
    The Great Recession
    Election of Barak Obama

    Holy crap! He's right!!
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    Anyway, if you guys know all this stuff, why wasn't your memory wiped by the big flashy-thing they used to wipe everybody else's memory?

    The answer is because you don't know any of this stuff!

    Now me, I don't claim to know a damn thing about any of it frankly, so I'm probably an eye-witness...
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    Didn't we kill that guy already?
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    Yeah, but the tinfoil hat guys resurrected the thread to point out they thought he was already dead before we already killed him already.

    Seems to me that turning him up and shooting him would sort of negate the "he was already dead" theory.

    I think these guy are saying that killing him proves he was already dead, because not enough people saw them dump the body.
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    Even though you don't seem to quote or name me, it's clear what you're getting at.

    So now I'm a "tinfoil hat guy" because I posit a hypothesis based on known direct and circumstantial evidence?

    That's only mildly insulting. I'm sorry if this topic disturbs your sensibilities to the point of unnecessary condescension, but when you catch a certain power structure lying 500 times, it stands to reason that the burden of proof would be pretty high the 501st time around. Perhaps not in your view, left-leaning ally.

    Yes, Obama is not Bush, but the stakes are the same.

    Sure, it's easy to soothe one's self and buy the official narrative, wipe your hands and be done with it. But where did that get us in 2002-2003 when the Iraq WMD story didn't add up and the nation went along with it anyway?

    I guess you'd need to prove they "turned up and shot him" in the first place for that equation to make sense. Otherwise, that's quite a leap of assumption.

    Seems to me there'd be an abundance of confirmation and photographs showing beyond a doubt that the great boogeyman was actually dead, just like Saddam and his boys. Why the distinction?

    I'm sure someone was shot that night. But there seems to be no concrete evidence it was the CIA's favorite asset. I, for one, Learned long ago that word of mouth among black ops figures and administration officials doesn't cut it. They've earned the scrutiny. And looking at your post history here, it would appear you'd agree.

    We chased a ghost for over 10 years, and spent untold billions doing so, in addition to relinquishing untold levels of privacy. I think that's kind of a big deal.

    You can say my name if you like. I don't see anyone else in the thread taking the position I have, but I could be wrong. It would appear I'm taking on both the "Obama got Osama" crowd, as well as the "I don't spend much time thinking about him" crowd. .... Bit of a pariah, I get it.

    I guess it's just that far more evidence exists - direct and circumstantial - that he's been dead since no later than 2002. I tend to apply Occam's Razor, especially when not one single photograph has surfaced in the 19 months since his "death," and no real videos of him exist in the 10 years before that.

    I admire Obama. But I'm sorry that I don't obediently stand in formation with my fellow liberals on matters of ultimate truth. That's just the way I roll.

    If they had his fresh corpse, they'd have let the American people see for themselves, once and for all.
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