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  1. Gainzo

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    #11 Jersey

    Remember him?

    For mine he was the best Governor we have had in Massachusetts in my adult years. Took over from Dukakis in 1991 and turned the Commonwealth around. Balanced budgets, gave tax breaks, lowered fees at the Registry, didn't slash social programs, etc.

    Too bad he lost in his senate bid against Kerry in 1996. As much as I lean to the left Weld was a true centrist who I admired.

    Unfortunately he would never survive in today's political climate as the right wing would call him a RINO and the lefties would come up with something to discredit him.

    After Weld left we had to deal with Celluci, Swift and Romney :( My verdict is still out on Patrick.

    For those that live in Mass, what were your thoughts on Weld?
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    Weld was light years better than Dukakis and did stimulate the local economy and business by eliminating a bunch of regulation. I was a fan of Romney for the same reasons too, until he dumped the health care disaster on us. Hell, until that happened he would have been remembered as the governor who brought down the Turnpike Authority/Massport. Too bad.

    My verdict was in on Patrick when he hired some of his campaign contributors who couldnt get a major project approved, to be in charge of the agency who approves those projects. In the pocket and corrupted on day 1.
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    My recollection of him is positive although I was young then.

    I disagree that he wouldn't make it today, I think Scott Brown showed that more moderate Republicans can still be popular in MA elections. Its going national where Northeast Republicans struggle, trying to win primaries in the more socially conservative South.
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    I was in College the first 3 years of the Weld Administration but entered the workforce, full time, in 1994 and made a good living during the rest of his tenure. Things fell apart (not for me) when Celucci and then Swift were calling the shots after Weld left.

    Scott Brown is a good comparison when it comes to Mass politics. Say what you will about Massachusetts but we do make a good move once in a while!

    As you said, the GOP base in the south wants nothing to do with Republicans from the Northeast. Chris Christie, Governor of New Jersey, has popular support in his own state but has absolutely no chance of being a viable Presidential candidate if he decides to run in 2016 or beyond.

    It's a sad state of affairs when it comes to electing our next President.
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    Cellucci was bad, Swift worse, and Patrick sucks. Romney was a decent governor until he started to insert his national interests into his job as governor. Screw him. I actually met Cellucci a few times when he was governor. I have a picture with him somewhere. I was in my early 20's I think. Nice, nice guy in person, but then I read how he couldn't balance his own finances, and in seeing how he ran government, I wasn't surprised.

    I remember a bumper sticker that was around during Weld's years in office. It read:

    Privatization: A Weld Scam

    Anyone else remember that?
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    #11 Jersey

    I remember those stickers. Wasn't Weld at the forefront of getting rid of cops doing roadside details at $40 an hour or whatever it was back then?

    Sidenote: Was sitting at a red light yesterday in Woburn and the pickup truck in front of me had a bumper sticker that said "Patrick is anti-union." Can't please everyone I guess :eek:

    Seriously, I would be very happy if Weld came back from the private sector to the public sector.
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    Patrick anti-union?!? :confused:
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    I love Chris Christie, and I agree with you. As a Republican I am always frustrated with the need for national candidates to pander to the christian right. It destroyed what little credibility Romney had in 2008. I'm all for more Republican candidates that are intelligent, thoughtful, and dedicated to working on what I consider "big" issues like the economy, the debt, energy independence, and the wars we're still fighting rather than going after things like abortion, same sex marriage, and NPR. Apologies to those of you that consider those issues the most important, I am simply stating my preferences for where a Republican candidate would be focused.
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    #11 Jersey

    I have no idea what union it was but the guy driving the Ford F350 wasn't happy!
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    As a Democrat I agree with you 100%. Why does everything come down to social issues?

    What the GOP controlled House is doing is ridiculous. NPR? Planned Parenthood? Why go after them? How about jobs? I think we need some of those.

    Maybe it was like this before the '90's but the Country has drawn battle lines by state/party affiliation and that isn't good at all. When people like Newt Gingrich are talking family values and looking at running for President it is a sad time.

    The saddest thing for me is that the Dems don't plan on supporting anyone but Obama next year. As much as I like Obama I know there are Democrats out there that could at least challenge him in the primaries. FU 2-Party system!
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    I wonder if Hillary will run again. I also heard Feingold was considering a run. I think for Dems supporting Obama in 2012 is the best strategy, picking someone else I think would guarantee the Republican getting elected (unless its Palin!).

    Agreed on the Congress right now, although I understand Southern Republicans following through on the things that got them elected, all this social BS. I am glad that among house Republicans there are those that are serious about tacking economic issues, like Paul Ryan, and that some Democrats are taking it seriously as well, like Joe Manchin.
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    #11 Jersey

    2012 is going to be a mess if both parties bases stick to their guns. Not looking forward to that at all.

    Where is Bill Weld when you need him?
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    He's too smart to jump back into this crap.

    I think the advantage a more moderate Republican will have in 2012 as opposed to other years is the ability to hammer on the economy/debt/foreign policy (if they have the credentials). If they're convincing enough on those topics the social conservatives may (emphasis on MAY) turn to them as a solution for the big ticket problems.

    If not I'd like to suggest that Huckabee and Palin form the "Backwoods Party" and let's be done with it.

    Gainzo who would you like to see run? Just interested.
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    Sheesh ... now we are digging up old a-holes .... like why?
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    Hilary would maybe be a replacement for Biden when his time is up. Feingold will run in 2016 and have the same impact as his bud McCain did in 2000. Russ Feingold is populist, from the Mid-West, got cross over appeal with other groups and might be a "maverick".
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    Romney is a wast of a good suit, theres nothing there. He would be good a Viagra commercials, he looks like he came out of central casting as a middle age limp wienie.
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    Romney is smarter than anyone on this forum.
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    Probably true, but he's also just not a natural politician. He's too stiff, makes bad jokes, and has changed his stripes too many times to be taken seriously by voters. That said I'd still vote for him.
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    Wow!
    Talk about damnation by faint praise!

    I remember Weld very well. Mass did very well under him, but I don't know how much of that was due to him...not much, I'm guessing. I do remember slapping him on the shoulder at a Dead show and said "Hiya, Bill!" to which he responded, "You gonna bogart that or what?"
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    Romney is the biggest flip flopper I have ever seen. Worse then anything Kerry flip flop on.

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