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    Moyers: You know, Mike, there's so much talk from that side of the spectrum raising the specter of Socialism. And I thought I might as well talk to a real Socialist about what the term means. I mean, I cannot find anyone in this country advocating the abolition of private markets and the wage systems or nationalizing all the major industries, I mean, no one's arguing for supplanting capitalism, are they?

    Davis: I am.


    Bill Moyers talks with an actual socialist for an honest perspective on Obama Crooks and Liars Media
     
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    Gee this guy is a real moron thanks for the link.

    As to our Socialist President. Davis doesn't matter because he is irrelevant. Obama has to work on a practical level to move us from a somewhat free economic system to one managed and controlled by the govt a very different role. I guess the difference goes over your head.

    As to the numerous post trying to give cover to barry for his socialist approach, I am reminded of the famous line by Shakespear: 'me thinks thou doth protest too much'.
     
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    my oh my how the tables have turned....

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    It the policies ______, that define Barry as a socialist, Nationalizing medicine, 'public/private partnership' in owning banks, regulating the income of executives for execs beyond the companies getting the bailout cash, running auto companies , and this in just the forst 50 days.

    Trying to say obama is not a socialist is putting lipstick on a pig.
     
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    You go, dude.



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    Trying to say Obama is a socialist is just plain ignorant.
     
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    Forget the draft obama is going for involuntary servitutde for all teenagers:

    Left wing indoctrination anyone?
     
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    A headline from the Wa Po today:

    U.S. Seeks Expanded Power to Seize Firms

    try readin the article...
     
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    .....you go dude!
     
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    You need to get your news from other sources than the BarackSamee Street network.
     
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    I do. I just wonder where you get your propaganda from. :rolleyes:
     
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    I think what all this throwing around of the "S" word means is that the right wing has been in power so long that they've forgotten what the center looks like. Beyond that, as we recently saw, they feel that the politics of 1996 or 2000 are still crucial. They are not. Our economy collapsed, for those who weren't paying attention (or more likely were too ideologically pure to bother with the facts on the ground.)

    I would say that Obama is basically occupying the same center-left pragmatist ground Clinton occupied. I agree with the OP and Godef, that you guys who are foaming at the mouth and throwing out the term "Socialist" as if it's a dirty word, are just out of touch. If he's a socialist, the entire world, except for the US when in the clutches of the radical right, are socialists.

    It's 2009 dudes. Get over it.

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    The center as defined by dems is socialism. The dems want to control society and terrorize businessmen who they seek to use a scapecoats, see B Frank terrorist threat the publish the addresses of the AIG exec.
     
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    Quite to the contrary. The center, as defined by name-calling Republicans, is Socialism. Ask the question based on whether people want to solve this problem, or our entitlements problem, or any of the other present and looming problems the country faces. The GOP says if you tax a higher marginal rate on the wealthiest, you're a socialist... despite the fact that Obama's rate would be 30 points lower than Ronald Reagan's.

    Ah, the poor businessmen who got us into this are now "scapegoats." What are they when the proposed centrist Obama plan is structured to let these same businessmen invest in the recovery??? He's enriching the pigs!!! The reactionary right isn't even internally consistent.

    Really? Terrorist? Really? Huh. This is a different use of the word "terrorist" than that to which I'd become accustomed.

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    Oh and by the way, link me to Barney Frank's threat to publish addresses. I'd especially like to see it in context. Thanks.

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    Could you be more of an overdramatic, irrational, partisan fear-monger?

    Oh wait... You've been supporting "terror threat warnings," submission of civil liberties and de-regulation of big business since you joined here.

    Con men: blaming brown people for everything that "threatens" their money and security for decades. ... And suddenly paying the price at the polls.
     
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    If Obama is a Socialist, Esenhower was a communist.

    To say Obama is a socialist is basically saying "I have little to no education and poor critical thinking skills along with a complete and utter lack of understanding of any history, or political and socio-economic theory."

    If Obama was a Democratic Socialist like Bernie Sanders, I would have voted for him. But he's not, not even close, so I didn't.
     
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    If D Cheney had threathened to release the names and addresses of say Mulsims for political purposes after 9-11 how would you respond?

    What if anyone was harmed as a result of viglante action any problem then?

    What was the purpose of such a threat if not to intimidate?
     
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    Again, where is the Frank quote about the home addresses? Not that I doubt it really, I would just like to see the quote about addresses, in context.
     

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