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Bill introduced in Iowa that would prohibit teaching students how to vote

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  1. DarrylS

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    Interesting that this would be done, as this is probably one of the most important things that you can teach a student in high school, however the grandson of Chuck Grassley begs to differ. Teachers will now be prohibited from teaching such.

    Aren't one of the “tenets of American citizenship” and “the principles of American citizenship”, how to vote??

    This is from a progressive blog, but is corroborated by the actual legislation.. so don't get your depends in a bunch.

    What Does Grassley Have Against Voting? | Blog for Iowa


    http://coolice.legis.iowa.gov/linc/85/external/HF423_Introduced.pdf
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    #95 Jersey

    Oh come on, this bill does not "prohibit teaching students how to vote." That's a misleading and ridiculous attention-grabbing headline.

    It's a 3-page bill that explains a broad idea of what this class should teach, and the part about voting that's removed is not a prohibition, it appears to have been removed to be replaced by broader language.

    The revised bill states: "The government instruction shall also include a study of the
    Constitution of the United States; and the Bill of Rights contained in the Constitution; and the federal system of government; the overlapping features and responsibilities of
    the national, state, county, and local governments; and the tenets of American citizenship, including civility, mutual respect, political discourse, and appreciation of the common public concerns of Americans."

    There is nothing explicitly or implicitly stated that can even remotely be interpreted as "students cannot be taught how to vote." But then again, would you expect anything less than misleading statements about a republican from a left-leaning blog?

    The headline could just as easily have read, "Iowa State Representative adds language to bill to encourage teaching civility, mutual respect, political discourse, and appreciation of the common public concerns of Americans." But that wouldn't be nearly as sensationalist.
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    Get up, get dressed, have coffee, go the polls, vote.
    Thats all there is to it.

    (what you don't want is left wing liberal communist teachers teaching you left wing liberal communism)

    YOU DON'T WANT TEACHERS TEACHING YOUR CHILD WHO TO VOTE FOR

    TEACHERS SHOULD TEACH STUDENTS HOW TO READ WRITE AND ABOUT APPLES (if samuel has three apples and he gives hilda one how many apples does sam have left)

    Liberals should not be allowed to teach anything in America.

    STONE YOUR WIFE IF SHE DOESN'T OBEY YOU
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    This forum is only as left-leaning as its participants and believe me there have been times when liberals have been few and far between. At any rate, doesn't it strike you as odd that it looks deliberate that this has been crossed out:

    "including instruction in voting statutes and procedures, voter registration requirements, the use of paper ballots and voting systems in the election process, and the method of acquiring and casting an absentee ballot"

    as well as similar language elsewhere in the bill.

    Perhaps you can explain why that was deliberately removed?

    To liberals its yet another effort by Republicans to dissuade and disenfranchise groups that are likely to be progressive, but maybe you have better explanation for that language was quite obviously intentionally removed.
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    #12 Jersey

    I'm curious as well but who exactly is getting disenfranchised? High School students not getting specific instructions on voting with paper or absentee ballots? Are only minority, liberal or foreign born kids not being taught while white conservative kids are? I was never taught voting procedures in school, perhaps the state didn't want me to know how to vote? Maybe I'm naive but its hard for me to see this as some kind of conniving , measured attempt to get high school kids from ever voting for what I assume you to mean liberal policies or politicians.
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    #95 Jersey

    I'll take a stab at explaining it.

    It was removed because this bill changes the class from a half-credit class about voting to a full-credit class about government. This expands the scope of the curriculum, and so the language was changed to reflect that expanded scope.

    Look at it this way - say there used to be a half-credit class called "Simple Math", and the government required all students to learn addition. And then someone introduces a bill to change the class to a full credit and updates the language to say students need to learn basic math principals and operators.

    It's not saying that teaching addition is prohibited, or even discouraged, it just uses broader language to concisely explain what will be taught in the expanded class. It would be entirely misleading to say that the government is opposed to addition because they removed that specific language from the previous, more restricted in scope, law.
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    Really? Well, if they can't read or write then what is the point of teaching them to vote? No one ever taught me how to vote, it is not that complicated.
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    I taught my wife how to vote, I said "go in that little stall with the curtain, pick up the pencil with the string on it, put an "X" beside the name you want to vote for, then come out and we will go and have some chinese food.

    What the teachers want is "to tell the students WHO to vote for"

    Question your child everyday, find out what these Loons are trying to brainwash them with.

    Don't let them clutter your childs brain with their Left Wing Socialist Anti American Crap.

    People used to come from all over the world to study at our Colleges don't allow these Communist Left Wing Scum destroy this country.

    Why Have So Many People Snuck Into America, Why Doesn't Anybody Ever Sneak Out?

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