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  1. DarrylS

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    Heard him a couple of times lately on the radio pimpin his book, here is an op ed from the NY Times..

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/06/o...l=1&adxnnlx=1228562132-IlODfjRgwMfKh7No6j0keA

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    Interesting comments on the whole Ayers thing...the head of the Va. GOP, sounds like another right wing lemming to me..


    washingtonpost.com

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    The Liberal Democrat:
    Crucify an American governor (Palin) simply because their opposition likes her and she is "Pro America"

    Defend and in some cases support a Scumsucking Piece Of Sh!t like Bill Ayers simply because he is an Anti American Far Left Wing Socialist Bastard who tried to murder American Citizens and has not once shown any remorse for doing so, he still hates America and he Probably "Danced In The Street" 0n the morning of 9/11 along with millions of Muslims around the world.

    In my book anybody that has kind words for Bill Ayers is a no good mother f-cking rat bastard.
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    What a joke of a letter. I guess he forgot to mention a police officer died in one of the blasts. He forgot to mention he helped kick off Obama's state senate campaign at his house. There are others but it really does not matter ... Ayers is a lying slimeball who proved more than once that he hated America more than he ever loved it.

    You do know where they planted their bombs don't you Darryl ... I would hope you do.

    How about Fort Dix ... they were planning on blowing up a bomb at a party .. luckily the bombs did not work.
    The planted a bomb at the home of a New York state Supreme Court justice.
    Did I forget to mention a bomb at the New York City police headquaters in 1971.
    How about bombing the Pentagon in 1972?
    Or how about his two friends that were killed in the Greenwich villiage explosion ... Terry Robbins & Diana Oughton?

    You really should at least read the history of Bill Ayers before posting such a lame sheeple type thread.
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    So the GOP ends up fielding a team of lying character assassinators AGAIN, and when this is brought to light, Harry, your response is to....

    ASSASSINATE CHARACTERS! This time it's "The Liberal Democrat."

    I honestly wonder what it's like to live in you guys' minds sometimes. It must be a wonderful, simple, but angry place.

    Unfortunately, it's a place that fails time and again to bring anything relevant to the table. I think that's sad.

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    Very annoying to see these "Liberal Democrats" TRASh & RIDICULE a successful patriotic American like Palin but go dead silent on a piece of sh!t like Bill Ayers.

    Obama could give Ayers a seat on his cabinet and many of the MTV type democrats would applaud it.
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    The Bill Ayers Suffers From Memory Loss File.

    Chicago Daily Observer | Bill Ayers Resume

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    IcyPatriot, is there proof for all those accusations you made in your post?
    Edit; That sure is a lot of terrorist activity. Bill Ayers is responsible for ALL those?

    PatsfaninVa, can you prove that they are lying.

    Any links from either of you would be appreciated.
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    "MTV Democrats" must be like "John Stewart Jews" (as I understand it, this is the branch of Judaism I belong to:rolleyes:)

    At least your hackneyed reference to "Liberal Democrats" was coherent. But I do have to say it's heartening that you feal "Liberal" is no longer a mean nasty name to call people, and has to be bolstered with the nonsensical term "MTV Democrats."


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    The Weather Underground - TIME

    List of Weatherman actions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    http://www.americanissuesproject.org/pdf/WeatherUndergroundTimelineOfEvents.pdf

    Resume of a Terrorist: Obama’s Buddy Ayers

    This one is from 2003 ... well before the Obama/Ayers stories began.
    http://www.slate.com/id/2084009/
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    36etc., who is "they"? The original post says Ayers (who is roundly hated here, and is something of a bogeyman,) simply wasn't close with Obama, by his own account.

    I don't know who I'm supposed to prove is "lying." All the OP says is that Ayers says he and Obama weren't close, and that Ayers says he didn't have any influence over Obama's policy. Were we to see any evidence that Ayers did have any real influence over Obama, we might have something to be concerned about.

    I doubt it, however, since our local lefties are all in a twist about how Obama isn't leftist enough, and since Obama has shown every indication of maintaining the current overemphasis on military spending and our current reliance on international projection of American military power.

    Since Ayers' biggest sin seems to have been plotting the bombing of the pentagon when Obama was 8 years old, I'm not certain which other Ayers' preferences will be somehow echoed in Obama's policies.

    If any such evidence is presented, I'll be glad to waste time on a link search. It gets tiring enough, however, that I'll stipulate the evidence can't come from a desperate right-wing blog or other screwball source, nor can it be "so-and-so said that..."

    But give me real, sourced evidence that Ayers is somehow relevant to Obama's policy-making, and I'll be glad to respond (if in fact that's what I need to be linking about.)

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    Maybe you should think before responding to such a "lame thread".. there is no defense of Bill Ayers, it was done in the context of Obama is paling around, that is all.. read whatever you like into this..

    You post all the activities of the weather underground, not all the activities of Bill Ayers...

    Every day you post shyt about Obama's ineligibility, does anyone call them lame?? I think not.. this is a free forum, and until Ian changes the rules I will pretty much do as I like in the context of the established rules.
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    Well I thought that in your first post but your 2nd post changed my mind.
    Your 2nd post makes clear why you posted the letter .. it is what it is as they say.
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    The second post is something I came across today, that relates to Ayers that is all.. this has to do with Ayers hysteria, not the merits of what he did or did not do..
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    You made the assertion that "they were lying character assassins".
    Can you prove they are lying?
    BTW, it seems to me that he is not roundly hated here but only from those who post from the right. (OK, Harryboy really, really hates him.)

    Since when has the accused been exonerated due to his own testimony?


    ICyPatriot posted that Ayers helped kicked off his campaign. If all that he has been accused of turns out to be true then this is very disturbing.
    Does anyone have any proof of this?

    Fair enough.

    Icypatriot, thank you for your links. I'll check them when I get back from the gym.
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    Choke on this all your Obama haters, here is an article written by the lead prosecutor in the Ayers case.. interesting..

    Guess you all can blame John Mitchell and his lack of respect for the constitution, as the cause of why this case was blown out.. where is the outrage here all you constitution lovers???

    In Letter to 'NYT,' Man Who Prosecuted Weather Underground Hits Linking Ayers to Obama

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    Is anyone here trying to link Obama to his terrorist activities?

    Do you think he's a responsible citizen?

    What bothers me is the automatic rescue by some here of Ayers anytime he's metioned in a negative light.
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    The rescue is a figment of your imagination, the reality is that things are said from blogs that have no veracity.. then after some digging the truth comes out.. remember the famous Palin yak about "palin around with terrorists"..

    My believe is close to what the article states, he has become a responsible citizen and had no links to Obama, not matter how many times that was posted.

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    36&c.:

    1) Character assisination refers to Harry's post, post #3, as is evident from the usage in my own post, post #5. To split hairs, you may think of his frothing therein as more namecalling than character assassination, but I think there's plenty of each tactic there. And of course, the character assassination is against Ayers, certainly, but since nobody specifically defends Ayers, this is unimportant, and is merely gilding the proverbial lily. The real attack which I care more about, is against "Liberal Democrats," now also called "MTV Democrats," who putatively like Bill Ayers and everything he's ever stood for, based on the fact that said Dems, of the MTV and Liberal varieties, are not themselves sufficiently foaming at the mouth.

    2.
    So you are accusing Ayers to be a supporter of Obama, and therefore guilty of conspiracy with hundreds of millions of others to elect a president?

    Or is it really Ayers who is the "accused"? Well, if he's not the "accused," I would think that makes him a witness, on the only subject really touched upon here, i.e., the extent of his input into Obama's policymaking. I.E., they live near each other, but that is not dangerous. It may be something to campaign on if Bill Ayers is his best friend, as the common accusation goes ("palling around,") but it would certainly not be a crime regardless. So, the election is over... now what?

    You evidently believe somebody to be in a court of law. Very well; courts of law are spefically established to give people fair trials.

    Now first of all, tell me what the charge is, and who is accused. If it is Bill Ayers, I don't have much time for you or for the charge, since he's already been tried, and I don't much care how much more of a drubbing Ayer's reputation takes. Double jeopardy and all that; you lose the suit, but Ayers didn't run for anything, so why bother?

    If in fact, you are accusing Barack Obama, tell me what you're charging him with. Certainly not conspiracy in this plot against the pentagon when he was 8 years old????

    Or perhaps you are accusing him of associating wrongly, but isn't free assembly guaranteed in the (sometimes) lauded Constitution hereabouts?

    Oh and by the way, when you decide who is accused, and what he is accused of, try to remember that individual is innocent until proven guilty.

    So even if you have the unmitigated chutzpah to "accuse" a man of free assembly, since you choose this court metaphor, man up and prove the level of association you assert. The burden of proof, in American jurisprudence, is not on the accused.

    As I understand it the Ayers thing is an attempt to smear Obama by association (not something that holds up in court to begin with.) But maybe I'm missing something.

    So Icy, 36&c., any of you, please let me know what exactly Obama is accused of, and attempt to prove your case. Enough of this silliness about attempting to force a man to prove a negative. You'd be thrown out of any court of law or elementary logic class, and (hopefully) you know it.

    (3) You mention that Icy says Bill Ayers helped kick off B.O.'s campaign. I'll let him bring his evidence in support of this assertion.

    (4) We're evidently in agreement.

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    I don't HATE OBAMA, but I do REALLY REALLY HATE BILL AYERS.

    I have said many times on here that if Barack Hussein Obama really brings "Change For The better" and if Barack Hussein Obama doesn't send American Troops to die in some slobbering liberal do-gooder war (darfur) then I will be the first to apologize and give all my support to him, right now I believe that Barack Hussein Obama is full of sh!t right up to his Ping Pong Paddle Ears, he is just another lying silver tongued Politician.

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