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  1. carolinatony

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    While we need to address the PASS RUSH next year I see a need for either a RB/WR after OL. I dot not want any WR in the first 2 rounds but would like to see us grab one on day 2. Moss is getting older and while I love Welker, he shouldn't have to get 10-12 cathes for us to win. We takes a beating.
    Another WR and more of a power RB would help him.

    BB is hard to predict and this year SHOULD draft some kind of pass rushing DE/LB but he could surprise.
    We need another OL to protect Brady and to replace who we may lose this offseason but RB should also be addressed.

    Some drafts have us taking Jahvid Best or Jonathan Dwyer in the 1st round but I belive pass rush is more important. Mocks are fun but they don't mean anything.

    So; what do you believe is a bigger need next year WR/RB after OL and pass rush?
    thanks
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    I don't think either WR or RB is a need in the first 2-3 rounds. Of the two positions I would prioritize RB over WR for a mid round pick, for several reasons:

    1. Maroney has been doing well, but Faulk/Morris/Taylor are all 33 or above. Faulk's contract is up after 2009, Maroney/Morris/Taylor after 2010. Drafting a young back to complement Maroney makes sense.

    2. We need to give Brandon Tate a chance as the 3rd WR.

    3. We already have 3 young WRs in Tate, Edelman and Stanbeck. If we were to bring in another WR I would try to target a veteran.
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    I'd prefer to try to get either A.J. Green, Julio Jones, Johnathan Baldwin, Michael Floyd, or DeAndre Brown in 2011.
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    but Faulk/Morris/Taylor are all 33 or above

    So if 2 of these are GONE or Hurt again than we would need another RB
    That's my point.


    2. We need to give Brandon Tate a chance as the 3rd WR.

    3. We already have 3 young WRs in Tate, Edelman and Stanbeck. If we were to bring in another WR I would try to target a veteran.
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    None of these are PROVEN WR's yet? I wouldn't mid a FA WR picked up.
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    I have no clue how people can think we don't need a WR. We have no #3 WR and that's virtually a starter in our offense. Moss is really struggling right now and will be a year older. Furthermore WR usually emerge in year #2 or #3 so we need to get the process going for 2011.

    Stanback isn't the guy. Edelman will likely be a second slot guy. I hope that Tate will become the guy we hope but it's 50-50 at best right now realistically about 25-75. Going into 2011 we have Welker, maybe Tate, maybe Moss if he comes back cheap. Good luck with that.

    Maroney is one of our bright spots, a mid round pick to go with him would suffice.
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    I have no clue how people can think we don't need a WR. We have no #3 WR and that's virtually a starter in our offense. Moss is really struggling right now and will be a year older. Furthermore WR usually emerge in year #2 or #3 so we need to get the process going for 2011.

    Stanback isn't the guy. Edelman will likely be a second slot guy. I hope that Tate will become the guy we hope but it's 50-50 at best right now realistically about 25-75. Going into 2011 we have Welker, maybe Tate, maybe Moss if he comes back cheap. Good luck with that.

    Maroney is one of our bright spots, a mid round pick to go with him would suffice.
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    You made my point better than I could. thanks
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    In my opinion, New England's top priorities for the off-season and the draft is to address specific needs.

    1. Draft a NT
    2. Draft or sign a starting DE
    3. Draft one or more OL
    4. Draft one or more RB
    5. Draft one or more ILB
    6. Draft or sign a starting TE


    Resign

    Wilfork
    Gostkowski
    Mankins
    Faulk
    Aiken

    Trade

    Maroney
    Thomas

    Waive

    Springs
    Taylor
    Morris
    Green-Ellis


    I like what the Patriots already have at WR.

    Moss
    Welker
    Edelman
    Tate
    Aiken (resign)

    Conversely, the Patriots must retool at RB.

    Faulk (resign)


    UFA RB

    Mike Bell
    Jerious Norwood
    Chester Taylor
    Leon Washington

    UFA WR

    Lee Evans
    David Clowney
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    In my opinion, New England's top priorities for the off-season and the draft is to address specific needs.

    1. Draft a NT
    2. Draft or sign a starting DE
    3. Draft one or more OL
    4. Draft one or more RB
    5. Draft one or more ILB
    6. Draft or sign a starting TE


    Resign

    Wilfork
    Gostkowski
    Mankins
    Faulk
    Aiken

    Trade

    Maroney
    Thomas

    Waive

    Springs
    Taylor
    Morris
    Green-Ellis


    I like what the Patriots already have at WR.

    Moss
    Welker
    Edelman
    Tate
    Aiken (resign)

    Conversely, the Patriots must retool at RB.

    Faulk (resign)



    I agree with you except for WR. We should be able to do better than
    Edelman
    Tate
    Aiken (resign)
    we
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    By this logic, the Patriots would need to spend half their draft on RBs. :rolleyes: Even better, only one of the UFAs you suggested (Chester Taylor) is actually guaranteed to be a UFA in 2010 if it's uncapped (the rest are RFAs).
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    Why would they trade Maroney. I thought the idea was to have good players. Since the Titans game he has been the 2nd best skill position player on the team.
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    We wouldnt trade LoMo. Hes been great this year. Definitely need to look at WR and RB as areas of need for the future, along with the OL. I think we should look interior OL with 1 of our first 4 picks next year, WR possibly as well along with OLB and DL help with the other 2 picks. Then look RB in the mid rounds
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    I agree that we don't need a RB or WR in the first three rounds although as always, the value could be there.

    We all seem to agree that needs at DE, OLB, OG come first. Some add OT assuming that Light will be traded.

    And these might not even finish our early round needs if we don't re-sign or replace Wilfork, Watson and Bodden.
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    So, it seem we are asking about late 3rd or 4th round priorities, I would say it is a crapshoot and we should get whatever value is out there. As far as evaluating need and how to meet that need, I think that drafting a mid-round RB makes sense.

    RUNNING BACK
    We will have Maroney and Taylor as our core next year. We can choose to keep or upgrade Morris and/or Green Ellis. Personally, I would like a real fullback or short yardage back. I would expect us to re-sign Faulk. Given that we are likely to carry five, I don't see why we wouldn't.

    In the end, this position isn't a real need for 2010 if we re-sign Faulk. I don't believe in developing running backs. If we need a couple in 2011, then we'll secure them then.

    WIDE RECEIVER
    As you say, we have three kids. There is no reason to draft another. I would expect to being in a veteran or two but it would seem that two out of Tate, Edelman and Stanback may indeed be reasonable #3 and #4 receivers. Aiken is our special team specialist and therefore a given as the #5 WR or #6.





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    Only if you assume that 2010 will be capped. If 2010 is uncapped—and that certainly appears quite likely—only players with six years of service will be eligible for unrestricted free agency. Of the four you list, only Taylor has the requisite six years.
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    I agree; of the 2 positions, it's more clear than ever that we need another WR higher in the draft than a RB.

    The lazy, incompetent, cowardly pile of garbage that is the Randy Ratio must go as soon as the season's over. If asked, I would personally drive from Hershey to Foxborough, pick up him & Adalius, and drop both of those scumbags at Green Airport on my return to PA.
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    I think we need a RB more than a WR. Taylor, Morris, Faulk are all old and we sadly need to find Faulk's replacement. Maroney has been great and has shown he is able to shoulder the load but you have to wonder how much longer Faulk will be able to keep going. Need to find that all purpose RB who can be a big threat in the passing game yet still run the ball effectively like Faulk has done for so long.

    At WR I expect Moss to be back along with Welker. Then we have Tate who should be our #3, and a good one at that, if he can stay healthy. Edelman/Stanback is good enough for the #4 WR. I'd take a shot on a guy like Shipley in rounds 3-5, but I'm looking at 2011 as the year to get our "next Randy Moss." I really want AJ Green with that 2011 Raiders first round pick, but I'd also take Julio Jones, Michael Floyd, or Jonathan Baldwin.
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    Rounds 3-5? It's too early for mock drafts IMO, but Jordan Shipley will be a (probably high) 1st rounder. I'd take him as our #1 pick in a heartbeat if he's around by then.
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    Eh, I dunno about that, but I'd certainly be interested in the second round. [My biggest worry is that he does have a history of injuries, and he'll be 25 before the 2010 season ends. Then again, age didn't stop them from taking Kaczur. . . .]
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    I do agree we need depth at WR, but I can not see Shipley going on day one, even if he runs a 4.4 at the combine. However I could see the Pats being interested in him in the third or fourth round if he projects to run good option routes in the NFL.

    The only WR I have seen this year that is a playmaker is Gilyard from Cincy. I am very interested to see how he runs at the combine.
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    Your ridiculous negativism is usually merely annoying. This is offensive in the extreme.

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