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Biden Declares "We Have Turned This Economy Around"

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    RealClearPolitics - Video - Biden Declares "We Have Turned This Economy Around"

    Q Mr. Vice President, on February 25th of 2009, right after the Recovery Act was passed, you said, this literally dropkicks us out of the recession. By that definition, by those words you said right after it passed, has this worked? Have we been drop-kicked out of a recession?

    THE VICE PRESIDENT: Yes, we have. Now, look, I'm not going to get into the technical argument of economists of when the recession officially ends or will end. But I can tell you that what I meant then -- and I'll say it now -- we have turned this economy around. Instead of falling off the abyss, it is on firm ground. It is heading in the right direction. And every aspect of the economy is growing. Is it growing as fast as we want it to grow? No. Has it -- is it able to wipe out 8 million jobs lost as a consequence of the recession which we inherited? No. But it has turned the country around. We're moving in the right direction. And this is the basis upon which this full recovery over time is going to occur.
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    Technically he's correct.

    Not something I would be bragging about, however.
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    ahahahahahahahaha! I almost typed in the original post, that someone like Jack would be in here replying along the lines of "well, he's right you know". The only reason why I didn't, was cuz I didn't want to prevent them (him) from actually doing so. Too funny.
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    Well, he is right, and the economic indicators bear this out.

    The economy was in free-fall, and now it isn't. This graph, aside from being in a more easily digestible visual format, is a helpful illustration of just how much serious this recession is/was, and the Sisyphean task this administration has faced in attempting to right the ship: Comparing This Recession to Previous Ones: Job Losses - Economix Blog - NYTimes.com

    I don't really expect this to have much of an effect on you, though, since you've made it abundantly clear that your chief role here is to constantly crap on this administration no matter what they do. Which is unfortunate, because there are legitimate areas where I disagree with what Obama is doing, but we don't get to discuss them much since I have to spend all my time disabusing you of your more erroneous views :)
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    Right, because you are totally spontaneous. I noticed you ran away from your "Britons hate Obama thread." I wonder why? Here's a little pro tip: It usually works out better when you read the links you post, before you post them. Consider it a lesson learned.
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    Please, don't flatter yourself. Although, I suppose I should concede the point that your running away from threads when you embarrass yourself is so commonplace that I really shouldn't be so pedantic as to notice. So, point taken.
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    I wouldn't say the economy has been turned around. The freefall has stopped, but I wouldn't say we're entering a strong growth phase anytime soon.
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    Nope, I agree. Which is why I said, while technically correct, I wouldn't start bragging about it until we see more positive growth. Not out of the woods yet.
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    Someday you may grow up and realize that being obsessed with having the last word 100% of the time isn't really the most mature way to go through life. I have no problem speaking my mind and leaving it at that, even when other disagree. But insecure children interpret such an action as "running away."
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    What would people prefer he say? This seems like yet another situation where political opponents will attack him no matter what approach he takes. But if you disagree, or have a recommendation on what you'd prefer to hear, I'd be interested in knowing what that recommendation would be.

    My take on what he said its that it's overoptimistic, but in the right direction -- and at the same time he's acknowledging that things aren't great.

    Seems to me that if he says nothing, he's out of touch.

    If he says things are bad, he'll be criticized for not understanding the effect that can have on people's behavior and worsen the economy, probably w/references to Carter and "malaise."

    (And I think most of us would agree that an even more optimistic answer would be an even worse answer.)
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    "When the stock market crashed, Franklin Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the princes of greed. He said, 'look, here's what happened.'"


    Which one didn't Joe say.

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    It's a trick question, he said them all.
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    Cool! So my mother, with her Bachelor's Degree and nearly 25 years worth of managerial experience can finally find a new career now... a year after being laid off. Sorry, but I'll believe this economy is back when I see it.
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    The beginning of the end was creating the Federal Reserve in the early 1900's, and then the Gold Standard being taken off was the straw taken off the camel's back.

    $13t and rising, and it's only a manner of WHEN the USA economy will finally collapse, and a One World Government Dictatorship with a One World Currency(for for that matter, a North American Union with the Amero currency) will be implemented.
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    He shouldn't say anything at all. If you're going to stand in front of a camera, and pronounce that your policies have done X, then you should be held accountable for your claims. We're possibly headed for a double dip, and this guy is on TV bragging about how his trillion plus waste of money, has "turned this economy around".
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    If he and/or Obama refuse to comment on the economy, do you really think the people criticizing these comments aren't also going to criticize those noncomments?

    "What are they trying to hide?"
    "Look how out of touch they are"
    "Why aren't they leading when the nation is suffering?"
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    I'm not saying they should refuse to talk about it. It's what you say when you do.
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    Ok, I thought you said he shouldn't say anything. So what should he say?
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    Again, totally mis-reading the situation. When you expose yourself as the fool you are, I'm going to call you on it. If you want to avoid such unpleasantness, read the articles you post before you start the threat next time.

    It has nothing to do with getting in the last word. I has to do with you being completely wrong. If you had any interest in dealing with facts, this would ostensibly be of some concern to you. Somehow I doubt you would let any liberal on this forum get off so easily.
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    JackBauer has it right, in saying we've escaped free-fall mode. But are we in a state of growth? From a long-term Libertarian perspective, no, because we continue to spend ourselves into deficit. The U.S. Treasury and Fed chairmen only targeted crucial domestic areas that would keep the stock market from dwindling, and companies and common citizens receiving paper money in continuance. Yes, this passed-out paper money allows us to domestically buy and sell goods, and this administration's aim was to go the Keynesian route and place everyone in spending mode as fast as possible, by freely creating this paper money via the recent bills. But it's obvious that when you stack the dollar against many other world currencies, we're a staple. So it's just a temporary boost, and while the Keynesian route was the fastest fix out of free-falling, the standard reality is our gold standard continues to remain virtually inexistent.
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    From what I'm seeing & reading, don't be surprised to see & hear the "R-word" (Recession) once again moving forward in 2011. Consumer sentiment and international factors are deteriorating.

    -Earthquake/Psunami in Japan
    -China is teetering upon a real estate meltdown
    -Europe is imploding
    -Real estate is tanking in Australia
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    And the rich keep getting richer, and the divide widens.. keeping the poor and middle class down where they belong.
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    Doesn't it get tired ... seriously ... in which country is this not true.

    Import some aliens from another planet and give them $1 billion in seed money. Let's import liberal democrat leaning aliens for the sake of discussion. Do you really think that money would be invested equitably. Or perhaps more like they would end up having some property owners, business owners, management workers, blue color workers, and then of course the slackers (takers). I'm guessing I got it close to right in how it would turn out. Someone would end up with a lot more - it's the nature of the economy on this planet.
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