Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by Pats_2007, Jan 16, 2008.
To to be unbias.
Re: Better Defense......Pats or Chargers?
First, you're in a Pats forum. It would probably be unbiased in an NFL forum. But I would say Chargers, of course.
is this a joke post?
I would give pats edge on DL and SD the edge on CBs
Safeties and LBs pats have edge of veteran-knowledgeable guys - SD has edge of younger more athletic guys.
So it is a bit of a toss-up. For consistency over the 16 game season you have to give it to the Pats. If you just look trend-wise at Nov-Jan you could make an argument for SD.
Trouble is all that they didnt face quality opposition argument starts to get into chicken or egg (were they bad teams or did they get help to look bad when they got beat by SD)
I think they are both quality D; Edge goes to Pats in the end cause we have BB and they dont. He makes average guys play within a system and be superior to better athletes.
Pats D ranked #4 in PA.....nuff said
The Patriots D is very good, but I think with the team having such an overwhelmingly good offense, they get overlooked.
I am a Charger fan so I could say that two of our rejects are actually starting for you guys, but that would not be entirely fair. I was upset when Rodney Harrison left. He had a lot left in the tank and is good locker room guy. The only thing I don't miss is the high number of dumb late hit penatlies he would get. I was glad to see Seau go. He was a liabilty against the run. He would make one or two highlight hits every game, but his tackles were way down and he was always shooting a gap and overrunning plays and chasing running backs from behind. I like Wilhelm and Cooper (16 tackles last week) over Seau.
I would say NE has better players, but most of them are past their primes, while many of the Charger players are still entering theirs.
Slight edge to SD.
I suppose when teams have players past their primes, that's when they go 17-0, yea I forgot that little tidbit
and if your d is so great why couldn't you hold anyone down this year?
pats were among the league leaders in pts allowed and yds allowed.
chargers....not so much.
are all past their prime 7 of our 11 starters on D. Because Vrabel 32, Harrison 34, Bruschi 34, Seau 38 are older, we are way over our prime and only finished with a #4 ranked D in PA
We're dooomed against the vaunted Chargers
Maybe you should fact check first?
Points allowed Patriots: 274, there were three teams with lower numbers and not by much. San Diego wasn't one of them.
no ******* kidding.
maybe you should read post first.
Sorry, misread your post.
Thomas is 30. That makes 5 of the 11 starters 30 or older.
I was not saying the Patriot defense was bad. They are one of the top 5 in the league. Statistically, the Chargers are not. Both teams played a tough schedule. The Chargers gave up a lot of yards in the first half of the year and kind of jelled as the year went on. Counting last weeks win at Indy, they have 51 take aways. That is the one area where they dominate the NFL. They have playmakers.
McRee is 30. Hart is 30. They are the weak links on defense. One or both will be gone next year and Weddle will be starting.
Jamal Williams is 31.
The four linebackers, Olshansky and Castillo, Cromartie and Jammer are all getting better each year.
I'll stick with what is quantitative. NE has the better stats, across the board. They are the better defense.
They jelled having played crappy teams in the second half. just look at your schedule.
Pats have had lowest TO in the NFL this year. Brady threw 50 TD's and 8 ints all year in a pass oriented offense. So, what's your point ?
Last I checked age has nothing with winning football games.
Finally, we destroyed your team 38-14, and don't bring the excuse it was "early" in the season. Your QB is a nutjob and prone to throwing INT's as he did against Pats.
In a championship game I would take Brady over Rivers every time.
Who cares if we jelled against bad teams or not. We have dominated really since the Vikings game. The D wasnt bad against Jax.
Pats have lowest TO in the NFL, chargers have created the most TOs. we did intercept Brady once in this game and I believe 3 times in the playoff game last year.
Age doesnt have anything to do with right now, you are correct.
You did destroy our team. We were a struggling team then, 2 weeks later we lost to KC at home to hit rock bottom. We are 12-2 since.
Ummm, yeah who wouldnt take brady over Rivers in any game?
In part because the Pats O doesn't give up the ball with 3 and outs.
the chargers were right behind the patriots in points allowed, they were 5th in the league with 284 points. thats 17.8 points per game to the patriots 17.1.
i think the defenses were pretty close judging by how they did in the regular season. the chargers give up a lot of yards but that evens out with the help of a great special teams.
one thing is for sure, we know who has had the better offense, the defense is pretty close IMO.
another retarded post. How good was that Rams D on those greastest show on earth teams ? Their hig octane O surely did not help their D. Your 80's super SD charger or the Miami Dolphin D were both ****ty despite high octane O.
Clueless posting, typical of a Dolt
Schemes - Pats
Talent - Chargers
Intelligence - Pats
Linebackers - Chargers
Secondary - slight edge to Chargers
Line - even
experience - Pats
facial hair - Pats
turnovers - Chargers
winner - slight edge to the Chargers, which against the Pats offense is rendered moot. In other words:
Pats defense v. Chargers offense is better that Chargers defense v. Pats offense.
Linebackers - Even
DL - Pats......no even close.
while we're at it, let's hand coaching to Chargers. Afterall Norv Turner so far superior to BB.
Not IMO. The DL is even in a lot of peoples opinions mostly because we have a even NT, Seymore holds the edge with Castillo but only because Castillo is oft injured but our backups are better and established over the Pats. i would even with the slight slight slight edge to the Pats but I wouldn't call them not even close.
Ty Warren is better than Richard Seymour. He's consistent against the run and the pass and doesn't take 6 weeks off every goddamn year.
Wilfork and Jamal are even no doubt. But our ends are better than your ends.
Of course you got it all over us for LBs. I think DB is closer than you'd think, though.
you really like to start arguments don't you? We're talking football, not arguing so knock it down a peg and stop calling people retarded.
There's a difference from a ball control offense and an explosive offense. The pats, although with a pass game, are strickley ball control with the explosive capabilities, while as the other offenses that you brought up were very explosive and got a lot of their points off the long ball. Brady is safe and doesn't like to turn the ball over so when his defense hits the field they're well rested. I think those old fogies needed the rest. lol
Ok, this post makes me want to call you retarded, although I won't.
The Patriots have the most explosive offense of all-time. That's numerical. If you want to bring back the 6 year old "Brady is nothing but a dinker-dunker" arguement; I suggest you watch the first Jets game, the Chargers Game, The Cinicinatti game, The First Buffalo Game, The First Miami game, The Washington Game, The Second Buffalo game and the Giants game to see how "Non-Explosive" this offense is. Also throw in the Colts game, because it's the reason they lost. You don't throw for 4800 yds and 50 TD by dinking and dunking. You just don't. I have no idea what team you're watching by some of your comments.
Speaking statistically, the pats. The best defense from the regular season still standing.
As you think your DB's are closer than I think I think you underestimate Igor and Castillo at ends. Maybe the Pats are better but they're very very capable of stopping any team in the league.
The DB's may be close but we have some SERIOUS talent at CB. Jammer has shut down WR's for years, although not getting the recognition or INT's which is unfortunatly the measuring stick for a great CB for the media. Cro has grown into probably the best CB in the league, but also there is an argument that he's not even the best CB on the team with Jammer. Florence is good but we've kinda soured on his immaturity but he has talent that's for sure. Weddle plays the nickel and matches up well with Welker physically wise. Paul Oliver was also taken from the sup draft and was projected to be top 10 next year in the draft. Your DB's aren't great but they just know how to end games. Man for man I think we hold an UNBELIVABLE advantage but as a unit we are closer than a lot of people think
And you don't throw 8 int by taking shots down field when you shouldn't be. He throws to the open man with an unbelievable completion percentage keeping the clock rolling. I DID say that they have explosive capabilities but they used it only when it was open, they didn't force much all year. They took what the defense gave them and for the most part they dinked and dunked. Now, dinking and dunking is not a bad thing. It could mean finishing the game with 400 yards passing.
The Chargers corners are clearly better than the Patriots'.
That said, to say the Patriots defensive backs aren't good isn't just silly, it's also just flat out wrong.
And again, you're matching up Defensive Backs and Receivers as if they're going to play man up coverage. If they do that, the Patriots will win by multiple touchdowns. Norv Turner essentially said himself he would never put Cromartie on Moss in man up coverage in his presser today.
The Patriots lead the league (by a large margin) in 20+ yd completions and 40+ yd completions.
"The most part they dinked and dunked". That's just incorrect. They did last week. That was not the norm. You're just wrong here.
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