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    bad situation...
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    Houshmandzadeh is a punk.

    A sore loser punk. Ive seen him make mouthy commenst after nearly every loss.

    He needs to grow up.
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    Chris Henry is the REAL star WR on that team...too bad he's got some screws loose
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    Palmer is a stand up guy. I think both he and Chad were just frustrated on the sidelines there. It happens.

    I don't know what selfishness Marvin Lewis is talking about? They got beat by a better team, it's not like they weren't trying.

    Anyway, TJ's right. When you're winning, everything's great. Losing brings all this other stuff out.
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    TJH was the guy who said last year that there was no difference between the Bengals and Patriots - except for the three rings . . . :confused:

    I love Palmer but one minute he's talking about needing to be more like the Patriots then a few minutes later he says he's looked at the schedule and sees no team on it they should lose to - imagine Bruschi saying that ? :eek:
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    TJ is wrong. The Pats had high character guys even before they started their dynasty.

    When the Pats were losing or only above average, there weren't as many meltdowns with Belichick as coach in his first years as NE head coach.

    It all starts at the top, and the Bengals have neglected character as a key attribute when they scout, draft, or sign free agents.
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    It's true winning breeds team work and and team effort. But in the reverse, team work and effort breed winning.

    Honestly, if for some reason we were to start a season 1-3? I don't think there would be fingerpointing and jackholes running their mouth's in the media. It woud be business as usual. "We have to get better" comes to mind. We hear that every week and though sometimes it must sound like a monotone it's the truth in every job you do. We as fans our blessed with this football team and coach. I will believe that until the day I die. Win or lose I love everything this organization stands for.
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    Palmer and Houshamazilli are like LT and Rivers - they don't understand that it takes a TEAM to be successful. They carry on this "woe is me, I'm talented but I don't win" attitude.

    Before the game I knew this would be a one-sided contest. Just look at the matchups on the line of scrimmage - was there any doubt?
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    It couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of guys. NOT!!!!
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    The Pats have a championship pedigree and a SB winning core group of vets to fall back on if they ever fall into a prolonged rut. They wouldn't panic because of it. So I think the situation is a little different than it is with the Bengals.

    I guess it's like the old argument. Does chemistry breed winning, or winning breed chemistry? I've always felt it's more the latter.

    Anyway, if the head coach thinks there's something seriously wrong, then there must be. But if Marvin Lewis is pointing fingers, then he better also point them at himself and his staff, not just the players. I've always liked that about Belichick. When they don't win, he always makes sure to say to the media that it was the coaching that failed, along with the players. He doesn't put the onus just on the players when they lose (publicly, at least :) ).
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    Yeah really selfishness when your down to TWO linbackers,11 players in all against the pats and lose, it has nothing to do with selfisness.
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    Coach of the Year and instant Competition Committee member after one turnaround season that ended abruptly when his QB was carted off to surgery Marvin Lewis - should spend a few minutes tonight when he gets home screaming at the putz in the mirror.

    I always laugh when they wax poetic about these "hugger tree" HC's. They will turn on their talent publicly and privately the minute the heat gets turned up on them. Something the notorious spymaster whose players would oddly run through walls for never, ever does. I think that is something old 85 has come to realize - coaching matters. He said among his subdued comments this week that this matchup would also be about coaching. It's not the talent's fault this team is woefully undermanned and still can't field a defense. They can be undisciplined at times, but that's a longstanding coaching issue. They played their asses off. They were simply overmatched on the field and on the sidelines.
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    This is a very short sighted comment. Yes, people are in a better mood in general when they're winning but that doesn't guarantee unity. Ask the Eagles about that.

    Cincinatti just seems like a dysfunctional team. They got a lot of talent on one side of the ball and absolute garbage for defense.

    I still like Chad Johnson though. Come to New England someday, ocho. :rocker:


    If they were 1-3 they would be silent, you are right about that. But if it were this season it would be an absolute crapstorm because every day a media blowhard would be talking about how Belichick undermined his players by distracting them with the video nonsense.

    So I don't think it would be all that tranquil, but you would never see this sideline arguing or hear about rants in the locker room. If for no other reason, Belichick would forbid to keep the media sharks from smelling blood.

    I'm amazed by and proud of the poise and focus this team has. The video incident seems like it was ages ago because all they've done since then is go out and continue to play well in every phase of the game.

    Plus Belichick will remain focused like a laser on getting them to improve on some of the areas that still need work. This team continues to focus on the task at hand better than anyone else.
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    After the game, Palmer stood up and took responsibility for the miscue, saying he forced the ball into the wrong spot after misreading the coverage. This seemed like an incomplete, if not dubious explanation, and suspicions grew as Palmer refused to elaborate. Palmer's comments were consistent with a quarterback who regretted losing his cool and decided to take the fall for the good of the team.


    The comment wasn't incomplete at all and Carson wasn't biting any bullet "for the good of the team". Chad couldn't run the post because Wilson was cheating towards him. He was right to run a different route. Granted, I'm not on their practice field, but it seemed obvious on replay that Wilson was all over the post.
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    Let's not forget, we HAVE been through similar times! In 2001, we started off the year something like 1-3 and we struggled to get above .500 well into the second half.

    In 2002, we just sucked period. But you never saw finger-pointing.
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    To any Bengals fans who might read this thread:


    My condolences on Marshall's injury, and I hope he can come back from it post-rehab. That's a very tough injury for a player to suffer and I hope he can get back to 100%.
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    Did Chad do any funny dances this week?
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    Yeah, he danced right into the losing locker room. I think it was the maciraena. :D
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    Pansyton doesn't dance..he waddles...like a duck


    oh wait...wrong Chad
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    The one thing we have seen though, is sudden dismissals of those who (apparently) don't toe the line. Two punters come immediately to mind. Contrast that to the tolerance given to underachieving players who are otherwise good company men. Yet another punter comes to mind.
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    Let me say this:

    1) Does is seem like Ocho Cinco is laying the ground work to play for the Pats someday?

    2) That little friendly interaction between him and BB on the sideline must piss the rest of the Bengals off. It must be obvious to them that like Moss in Oakland, he's smart enough to realize he's never gonna win under Marvin Lewis or with the Bengals.

    I've watch him 3 games this year, and other than being a self promoter, he just doesn't care about that team.
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    The Bengals problem is almost entirely attributable to personnel acquisitions. They bring in terrible character players non-stop. I think it's a combination of Marvin Lewis assuming that as a black coach that he can better reach troubled black youth, and a management gambling approach that says that when a player starts falling in the draft or is available cheap for character reasons (Chris Henry, Frostee Rucker, AJ Nicholson, Ahmad Brooks), it's worth taking the high risk, high reward approach.

    The Bengals have gotten virtually NO help from the draft over the last three seasons aside from a pretty good CB and some serviceable linemen. That kills a team.

    What Lewis needs to do, and the bye week is a good time to do it, is take a zero tolerance approach and run that team Coughlin style for the rest of the season, clearing out any dead wood. Marinelli spent his first year as coach finding out who was in it to win it, and booting out the rest, and it seems to have worked for Detroit.

    It wouldn't hurt management to actually hire a GM with football knowledge and loosen the purse strings to bolster the scouting department.
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    Ah .... you spelled T.J.'s last name wrong ......
    Douchemandzadeh!
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    This is really too bad, because if the Bengals could get it together and stop arguing on the side lines, they could be a force to be reckoned with. They are really good at the no huddle, and a couple of times I thought they had the Pats D on their heels when they hurried to the line of scrimmage. Then they'd make a mistake and things would fizzle. The drive before the INT was a prime example. We couldn't stop them, but then either Chad ran the wrong route or Palmer threw off target (Looked like a little of both - even if Chad had turned the right way, Asante still would have been in front of him to make the pick) and there went the game.

    What kind of a bozo coach calls his players selfish in public?
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    The Bengals have a lot of Johnson's on their team. Maybe they have too many Johnson's.
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    This is going to be a weekly routine, as long as the Patriots are playing like they are. We have seen defeatist, angry, frustrated comments from the NYJ, SD, BUF and now CIN. Anyone else see the common link?

    Next to the microphone: Jamal Lewis and Kellen Winslow
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    Let TJ talk his talk. Then he can go slick his hair back and walk to his car with his head down because he got SPANKED. All his talk is based on insecurity over his lack of production:singing:
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    Seems like a lot of teams are left talking to themselves after playing the Pats.


    I watched the game and the Bengals do have some talent, but they clearly are not all on the same page. Sure, injuries cause disruption, but they are essentially a team of individuals, not working together for the cause. Palmer looks like a leader, but there needs to be those who will follow. Chad Johnson looks all full of himself. TJHoous.., same thing. Not a healthy attitude on that team.


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