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    Both gone. They're old enough that they could just retire but Groh is another interesting name who Belichick could be interested in. He's one of the annual training camp visitors in addition to the time they've spent on Parcells' staffs together.
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    Re: Belichickians getting fired (Weis, Groh)

    Goes to show you that as hard as it is to get the HC job, it is even harder to hold onto (as this franchise well knows).
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    Re: Belichickians getting fired (Weis, Groh)

    Groh is a great football minded coach,just didn't work out in the Collegiate ranks but put him back in the pros and he has something left to offer a team I am sure.
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    Re: Belichickians getting fired (Weis, Groh)

    Groh would be good for the LB's and I would love to have Weiss and Crennel back.
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    Re: Belichickians getting fired (Weis, Groh)

    Just a few things:

    Groh is off the Parcells tree, not Belichick.

    Weis isn't that old. He is rich enough to retire, but he is only 53. He is younger than Belichick and probably hopes to be a head coach again within the next two to three years.
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    Re: Belichickians getting fired (Weis, Groh)

    I like what Scott O'Brien has done over the past few weeks (mixing the run in more, helping TB get more comfortable) and think in the end, he'll be a fine o-coordinator. Pees is experienced enough to do the job. I still think he is gone after this year to pursue a HC job. Maybe Groh or RAC are the answers??

    My concern is come playoff-time the offensive playcalling. Will the inexperience show up in the playcalling? Thats where a Weis helps.
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    Re: Belichickians getting fired (Weis, Groh)

    Just wondering, what makes you think Pees will probably be gone after this season?

    Put me in as one of the guys who wouldn't mind seeing Groh coaching the linebackers.
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    Re: Belichickians getting fired (Weis, Groh)


    In XXXVI the ONLY offensive TD came on a Brady to Patten play called by...BB. During THE DRIVE the kid was on his own in no huddle with the only admonition from BB via Charlie to go for it but be careful out there.

    We won the other two by 3 points too. Carolina game we couldn't score to save our souls for most of the first half. Then both teams defenses couldn't stop a sneeze in the second...

    Some players, including role players, made some incredible plays along the way. The effect of playcalling is overstated in most cases, particularly here. Execution is the great equalizer. When playmakers make plays teams win.
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    Re: Belichickians getting fired (Weis, Groh)

    He's still a Belichick guy, he knows the defense well. It doesn't matter what "tree" he's from, they're all from the Parcells tree.

    If you have millions in the bank, 53 is old enough to retire - I know I would :) Seriously, with his physical condition and his daughter's situation I could see him becoming a full time dad.

    That's Bill (or Billy as Belichick seems to call him). Scott has issues with his punt team's protection ;)
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    Re: Belichickians getting fired (Weis, Groh)

    I have no concrete evidence to support my hunch Kontra except seeing this team operate from a PR standpoint over the last few years makes me speculate. To me, if a particular coach or exec in the Pats organization expresses to BB their desire to move up/on, in the year or two prior to their departure, they give weekly press conferences or are made more available to the media. It seemed that way with Weis and Crennel in 2003/2004, Pioli last year and the year prior and McD all last year and Brad Seely last year to an extent as well. Obviously, BBs intent is to help raise their visibility and give them experience dealing with the media (and how they deal with the media- which is very important) which is important to owners as the HC represents the face of the franchise so to speak.

    Now Pees, who IMO is not head-coaching material (lifetime coordinator, position coach mostly in college) contract I think it up after this year and may be simply wanting to move on.

    At any rate, it's good to know that there are highly-experienced coaches out there who know the system and can work with BB. I like Groh too.
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    Re: Belichickians getting fired (Weis, Groh)

    Yep. BB hired Groh in CLE. They are collegues and friends...


    Good points on those issues.

    Arrrr. My bad. Thanks!
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    Re: Belichickians getting fired (Weis, Groh)

    I think it's interesting that some of these guys are all going to be available at the same time.. Weiss / Groh / Crennell etc.. It would not surprise me to see a reunion in some sort soon.
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    Re: Belichickians getting fired (Weis, Groh)

    Weis and Groh together would be a mini-dream team of Coordinators:)



    but..... it will be nearly impossible to change them this far into the season:(
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    Re: Belichickians getting fired (Weis, Groh)

    Hearing rumors about Weis coming here as a "consultant."
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    Re: Belichickians getting fired (Weis, Groh)




    hmmm...:) SOURCE???
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    Re: Belichickians getting fired (Weis, Groh)

    Source? :eek:
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    Re: Belichickians getting fired (Weis, Groh)

    IIRC, you had some inside info on Mark Briggs last week, so I'm inclined to believe you on this one.
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    Re: Belichickians getting fired (Weis, Groh)

    It's Bill O'Brien who is the QBs coach. Scott O'Brien is the new STs coach.
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    Re: Belichickians getting fired (Weis, Groh)

    I wouldn't want Crennel back. He's a good coordinator, but he wanted to stay in cleveland after he was fired to work with Fredo. So he was loyal to either the team that fired him or mangina. No thanks.
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    Re: Belichickians getting fired (Weis, Groh)

    Holy **** ! :eek: Tell me its true !
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    Re: Belichickians getting fired (Weis, Groh)


    xFingersCrossedx, I love that idea, Charlie as an Offensive "consultant"! It's PERFECT. Imagine what he'd come up with for our present offense; a more experienced Brady; Moss, Wes, Maroney, Edelman...Brady reportedly used to call him at all hours of the day and night while CW was here, just to run some play ideas by him, ask him questions, etc. With the team we presently have the 2 of them could be up all night scheming and discussing plays.

    Lordy I think a little chill just ran up my spine:cool3:
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    FYI Notre Dame is having a press conference at 6 PM EST. ESPN just advertise they'll have it on.
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    Re: Belichickians getting fired (Weis, Groh)

    As long as Weis is bringing 2004 Corey Dillon, 2003 Seymour & Law and 2003 Bruschi, I'm all for it.

    BB is not going to bring in Weis as a FTE on this coaching staff at this point in the season.

    This is silly.
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    OT: Notre Dame fires Charlie Weis after 5 seasons

    http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4700891
    Not a surprise given his last 4 games. His teams could never play good-enough defense, and Claussen never lived up to his HS hype.


    One thing though. Notre Dame needs to reset its expectations and not pin this all on Weiss. Michael Holley said this a few weeks back and he's spot on about Notre Dame. For 20 years, Notre Dame hasn't been a powerhouse where all the top recruits want to play. I hope they sign a HUGE name as the next head coach, who fails, so that their alumni base finally wakes up to the fact that nobody wants to play there anymore.
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    Re: OT: Notre Dame fires Charlie Weis after 5 seasons

    Of course it is all on Weis. He did a nice job with Ty Willingham kids and he landed a few good blue chippers but was not actively out there recruiting like the Mack Browns, Chris Petersons or the Urban Meyer's of the world. Fact is he just wasn't a good enough salesperson or agressive enough in selling the university and the program.

    In the college ranks amongst coaches and parents of recruits, Weis came across as a brash, arrogant jerk. He alienated many of the alums and adminstrative staff. That didn't help matters.

    It's a sigh of relief in South Bend. Plain and simple.
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    Re: Belichickians getting fired (Weis, Groh)

    GF's brother heard it on either WEEI or 98.5 the Sportshub. The GF called me to check on here cuz you guys usually have the scoop on all that is the Pats. :) She'll usually call me to tell me something and I'll tell her that I already read it here. :D

    I didn't have any inside info on Briggs. It's all online. :cool: (I'm on TeamOps so I knew he was the head honcho though.)
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    Re: OT: Notre Dame fires Charlie Weis after 5 seasons


    No this goes beyond Weiss. Notre Dame hasn't been relevant for 20 years. NO elite recruits on a mass scale want to come to the school.
    The alumni base needs to wake up to this fact. It will probably take a high-profile coach failing miserably in the next few years to get them to face reality.
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    I'd definitely take Charlie back in a heartbeat as OC or a consultant on offense or whatever they want to call it. He's a great offensive mind. ND's problems were on the defensive side of the ball for the most part. I think they averaged like 450 YPG on offense which was top 10 in college this year.

    Basically you have to ask yourself who do you trust more calling the offense in the playoffs: Charlie Weis stepping in more than halfway through the season or Bill O'Brien a rookie play-caller.

    I'll take Weis anyday but I don't think he's going to want to come back here. I think he'd rather be an OC for the Chiefs or some other team.
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    It you look at Notre Dame's 12 games, the 6 wins produced about 190 points, the 6 losses still scored about 190 points. In the 6 wins they gave up 110 points, the 6 losses gave up 200 points.


    Weiss still knows offense. His skill set is still elite. He just doesn't know defense and it killed him in the end.
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