Belichick on pass patterns

Discussion in ' - Patriots Fan Forum' started by Snapper, Oct 19, 2006.

  1. Snapper

    Snapper On the Roster

    Apologies ahead of time if/when this turns into a big NEM affair.

    This is from today's Belichick press conference. I thought it help shed some light on the possible issues that come up on outside patterns vs. inside ones. No mention of Champ Bailey ;-)

    From that I get that each pattern has its own issues. The throw across the middle could be easier because it's a shorter throw, but there's also more traffic to consider, and the communication with the receiver. The throw to the outside, in one sense, could be easier in that the quarterback only have to account for that one defender (he's not going to make the throw if two are over there). Belichick makes arguments for both sides.

    Given the arguments Belichick makes about the perils of going inside, I can understand why we would see more outside throws. The parts I bolded above all fall on the communication between Brady and his receivers. If they're not on the same page yet about where to go (leading the WR vs. waiting for the settle, under vs. over the coverage, QB sticking it in vs. waiting for the WR to clear), passing inside could be much more dangerous right now. Whereas passing to the outside, while a more difficult pass to throw, allows Brady the security of playing off just one defender. So it's Brady putting more stock in his own ability to make the tougher throw instead of trusting the receiver to go the right spot inside.

    From the same press conference, talking about Stanley Morgan and the Pats of the late 70s:

    I don't know if this sheds any light on how the Pats are currently using play-action. It seems to say the shorter the routes, the less likely there'll be play action. Maybe this is because the QB needs to keep his eyes on the field for the shorter routes (just my speculation; any insight is welcomed). But I think it would also indicate that they're less likely to do play-action on the patterns you're looking for, NEM.

    Sound plausible?
  2. CheerforTom

    CheerforTom Third String But Playing on Special Teams

    This was another thing I took from that which I thought was pretty huge: BB himself basically backing up the ideas of 'the receivers and Brady just aren't fully on the same page yet and will hopefully get there soon', as opposed to Brady being injured or the wideouts sucking.

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    Brady is used to having"small recievers" that had to be in the right spot(timinig pattern)A weis offense.
    Now the Pats have large WR 's That can potentially take the ball away.
    That coulpled with a 2 prong running game(unlike brady has ever seen here)
    Should lead to a strong running game,with long passes from the wr's once Brady get's comfortable with them.
  4. PatsSteve1

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  5. Fencer

    Fencer Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

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    I'd hate for BB's football philosophy to flunk the NEM-agreement test.
  6. njpatsfan

    njpatsfan Third String But Playing on Special Teams

    It's nice to know that even in NEM-land, a diagonal line is longer than a straight line.

  7. BJ_McWild

    BJ_McWild Practice Squad Player

    wow that was great. thanks for posting.

    I love our coach!!!
  8. Brownfan80

    Brownfan80 In the Starting Line-Up

    Hey, look, I was at least pretty close to right about the middle vs outside passes (risk angle from my big-too-long theory in the CBS thread/Timing issue is BS thread):

    "There's also the least amount of coverage out there, so you don't have those decisions that you have on some of the inside routes. [snip] On the perimeter it's usually pretty cut and dry. I mean if there's two guys out there, you're usually not throwing it. You're coming back inside. If there's only one guy out there, then you're just running the route off of that one player. In some respects it's easier."

    It's nice to know that at least SOME of what I'm seeing/thinking is also what the Coach is seeing/thinking.
    Last edited: Oct 20, 2006
  9. Urgent

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    I thought about this -- the Weis offense and the use of small receivers who dart open. The corollary is the failure of the bigger receivers the Pats tried under Weiss.

    Important to note is the success Weis has had with big receivers at ND. His top guys are pretty big. He's not featuring a small receiver - his starters are 6-2 and 6-5.

    So Weis himself has been able to adapt his offense to big receivers.
  10. patfanken

    patfanken Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    Very nice point, Urgent, let me ellaborate on it a bit. I have been saying all along that different receivers have different skill sets and patterns that a Branch type WR will run well are different from the ones a Gabriel type WR will run. Remember in all the old videos, the when Drew and Tom would discuss which routes they were more comfortable with. Its the same with receivers. I am sure that the Pats coaches are getting the feel (along with Brady), which routes their WRs run best and then encorporate them into their game plans. We will eventually see the results of this work in progress by the time the REAL SEASON gets going in January.

    That being said, the other thing in BB's comments is about how play action passes (PAP) are usually deeper. I brings out a complaint that I DO have with the game plans, is the lack of PAP by the Pats this season. Given the sucess of the running game, it would seem a natural to run 8-10 a game, but I don't think we've run more than 2-3/g thus far??? Will someone ask NEM whay that is. :D
  11. Brownfan80

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    Brady remarks in another interview that the Safeties they've been facing this season are keeping deep more than last season. This could be why they don't run as much playaction. With the safeties deep the most likely route of the PAP would be covered more often than not and the slower developing nature of the PAP would let the pass rush get there as Tom had to defer to a second or third read. Just a moderately educated guess on my part.

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