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BB and DP made their position clear when they decided this TC to exclusively play Wilson at safety, even going so far as to admit that using Wilson at CB in prior PSs was a mistake.

Wilson is a safety. That is all he will ever be for the NE Patriots.

It must be nice to know everything. :rolleyes:
 
It must be nice to know everything. :rolleyes:

I'm not sure how my post elicited your sarcastic response.

BB and DP admitted that playing Wilson at CB in prior preseasons was a mistake and said that he would play exclusively at safety this training camp.

So the head coach and the defensive coordinator verbally stated that Wilson would only play safety. Then they backed that up by only playing him at safety. Why are we discussing him at CB again?
 
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I'm not sure how my post elicited your sarcastic response.

BB and DP admitted that playing Wilson at CB in prior preseasons was a mistake and said that he would play exclusively at safety this training camp.

So the head coach and the defensive coordinator verbally stated that Wilson would only play safety. Then they backed that up by only playing him at safety. Why are we discussing him at CB again?

I just think that after watching how BB continually uses players at different positions that it is naive to think the coaching staff would NEVER use Wilson at CB -- the same position they drafted him for.

I'm not saying that for sure he will, but if Wilson returns, Asante leaves, and Merriweather emerges as a starter, how is it so inconceivable that in 2008 camps Wilson gets looks at CB? Every year is different.

Mostly though I'm just tired of posters coming in and summarily dismissing someone else's opinion with one smug swoop.
 
He was a consensus low first rounder who played exclusively at corner in college (as far as I know).

I am pretty sure he played almost all his games at Safety in college, they threw him in at CB when some injuries hit and then he moved back to Safety.

I am happy he is on the field contributing on special teams and getting some reps at defense. The kid can hit, 60% of being a safety is being able to tackle. He also is ok at coverage for a safety, not really impressive as a corner. And he has hands of stone, certainly not going to be a playmaker until he stops clunking balls of his hands. I heard some of the Samuel comparisons but Samuel was a 4th rounder from a small school, Merrieather was a 1st rounder from one of the top programs, he should be able to hang onto balls that hit him right in the hands.

Anyway, this is a high class problem to have, a 2008 Safety rotation of Harrison, Sanders, Merriweather is a good place to start.

As far as corner, the unit will take a big hit if/when Samuel leaves my dark horse to play some CB, at least in nickel situations is Willie Andrews. Right it down...
 
I am pretty sure he played almost all his games at Safety in college, they threw him in at CB when some injuries hit and then he moved back to Safety.

I am happy he is on the field contributing on special teams and getting some reps at defense. The kid can hit, 60% of being a safety is being able to tackle. He also is ok at coverage for a safety, not really impressive as a corner. And he has hands of stone, certainly not going to be a playmaker until he stops clunking balls of his hands. I heard some of the Samuel comparisons but Samuel was a 4th rounder from a small school, Merrieather was a 1st rounder from one of the top programs, he should be able to hang onto balls that hit him right in the hands.

Anyway, this is a high class problem to have, a 2008 Safety rotation of Harrison, Sanders, Merriweather is a good place to start.

As far as corner, the unit will take a big hit if/when Samuel leaves my dark horse to play some CB, at least in nickel situations is Willie Andrews. Right it down...

I think you are confusing topics. You seem to be describing Meriweather, but RayClay was talking about Geno Wilson.

I actually talked about how Andrews might be a CB in deveolpment in my very first post. I also think that Richardson has some potential as well.
 
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Let's see:
Meriweather replaces Wilson as backup safety
Andrews replaces Gay (our current nickel) at nickel
Richardson replaces Samuel at corner

I just can't wait.

I am pretty sure he played almost all his games at Safety in college, they threw him in at CB when some injuries hit and then he moved back to Safety.

I am happy he is on the field contributing on special teams and getting some reps at defense. The kid can hit, 60% of being a safety is being able to tackle. He also is ok at coverage for a safety, not really impressive as a corner. And he has hands of stone, certainly not going to be a playmaker until he stops clunking balls of his hands. I heard some of the Samuel comparisons but Samuel was a 4th rounder from a small school, Merrieather was a 1st rounder from one of the top programs, he should be able to hang onto balls that hit him right in the hands.

Anyway, this is a high class problem to have, a 2008 Safety rotation of Harrison, Sanders, Merriweather is a good place to start.

As far as corner, the unit will take a big hit if/when Samuel leaves my dark horse to play some CB, at least in nickel situations is Willie Andrews. Right it down...
 
Let's see:
Meriweather replaces Wilson as backup safety
Andrews replaces Gay (our current nickel) at nickel
Richardson replaces Samuel at corner

I just can't wait.

I am not very smartly, you are right he was talking about Wilson.

Wilson, there are worse JAGs out there, he is welcome back for small money as the 3rd or 4th Safety. Very good in coverage, very average in tackling, below average ability to stay on the field.

I think your scenario is accuarte except for Richardson taking over for Samuel.

There will be a cage match Richardson, some JAG veteran and a couple of draft picks. Hopefully the front seven can remain strong because the secondary (especially at corner) will be a lot weaker in 2008.
 
Wait, Meriweather is rookie... soo, why is he talking to the media?

Seen but not heard???

Back to the corner, rook, but, you are doing a good job, keep improving...
 
I am pretty sure he played almost all his games at Safety in college, they threw him in at CB when some injuries hit and then he moved back to Safety.

I am happy he is on the field contributing on special teams and getting some reps at defense. The kid can hit, 60% of being a safety is being able to tackle. He also is ok at coverage for a safety, not really impressive as a corner. And he has hands of stone, certainly not going to be a playmaker until he stops clunking balls of his hands. I heard some of the Samuel comparisons but Samuel was a 4th rounder from a small school, Merrieather was a 1st rounder from one of the top programs, he should be able to hang onto balls that hit him right in the hands.

Anyway, this is a high class problem to have, a 2008 Safety rotation of Harrison, Sanders, Merriweather is a good place to start.

As far as corner, the unit will take a big hit if/when Samuel leaves my dark horse to play some CB, at least in nickel situations is Willie Andrews. Right it down...

Willie Andrews could see some increased playing time, but I really think Mike Richardson could surprise next year. I noticed some things about him at training camp, and during the preseason that made me think he could develop into a pretty decent DB.
 
Willie Andrews could see some increased playing time, but I really think Mike Richardson could surprise next year. I noticed some things about him at training camp, and during the preseason that made me think he could develop into a pretty decent DB.

I agree about Richardson.
 
Right on. It's not like the Pats have taken vet WRs and used them as nickel backs or anything wacky like that. Why on earth would they move a safety who was drafted as a CB and forced into playing S his rookie year back to CB? That's crazy talk.

Wilson has played coverage on passing downs exactly the same as Troy did as a nickel and dime back in years past. It's not even remotely the same as lining up against a #1 WR which is what would happen with all of these delusional 'Play Gino at CB when Asante leaves' scenarios that continually crop up.

The Patriots have had ample opportunity to move Wilson to CB and at the likely midpoint of his career if it hasn't happened now it is foolhardy to think it will happen in the future. The Gino as CB experiment was a failure that never happened, deal with it.
 
i think Richardson can surprise people as well but Andrews being our nickel? Our nickel is very important this year(Gay). We've played a lot of nickel and some games its been our main package. Im not sold on Andrews playing that big of a role..especially considering he isnt on dime right now

No way do both Gay and Samuel leave. I think Samuel will be back..good chance Randall is back but if hes not..we'll find an FA replacement or draft a kid

depending how good of a CB we get in draft or free agency..it could mean Hobbs shifting to nickel where he might be better suited and still having a significant role. Again..that depends how quickly the CB we get picks up the system and such
 
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Let's see:
Meriweather replaces Wilson as backup safety
Andrews replaces Gay (our current nickel) at nickel
Richardson replaces Samuel at corner

I just can't wait.

Huh?

Meriweather likely replaces Wilson, but who said Richardson will need to replace Asante? I do think Richardson could make a good third CB in 2008, and Andrews should see his role increase, but I'm not counting on Randall Gay's leaving, so he could also step into a larger role at CB.

If Asante leaves I'd think the fallowing would be at least somewhat likely.

1) Hobbs maintains his role as one of the two starting CB's. I'm not sure if he moves over or not...

2) Randall Gay gets resigned at a reasonable price, and has an increased role. Maybe that means they use him as the other starter, but they'll also be looking to bring in someone.

3) Mike Richardson gets a shot at playing Nickle, and I think he'll prove to be a good player in NE's system.

4) Andrews gets playing time as the fourth or fifth CB and gets a few more chances to prove himself.

5) Either Chad Scott returns or another vet CB comes in to compete with the younger guys, while adding depth.

6) NE spends one of their first two or three picks on a CB, and tries to develops him. Maybe he surprises in year one and climbs into a starting role mid-season (especially without someone like Asante already locking up a spot), and maybe he's only a backup year one. In my opinion if that CB happened to be someone like Jenkins or Cason, he'd find himself starting or at least getting some rotational work on the outside sometime during 2008. They'll also probably draft another DB mid to late second day of the draft.
 
Wilson has played coverage on passing downs exactly the same as Troy did as a nickel and dime back in years past. It's not even remotely the same as lining up against a #1 WR which is what would happen with all of these delusional 'Play Gino at CB when Asante leaves' scenarios that continually crop up.

The Patriots have had ample opportunity to move Wilson to CB and at the likely midpoint of his career if it hasn't happened now it is foolhardy to think it will happen in the future. The Gino as CB experiment was a failure that never happened, deal with it.

I'm certainly not advocating Wilson replacing Asante and becoming a starter. But one way or the other Asante's departure will leave an open spot at CB and I don't see why Wilson couldn't be the nickel.

Dealing with it,
Tom
 
I'm certainly not advocating Wilson replacing Asante and becoming a starter. But one way or the other Asante's departure will leave an open spot at CB and I don't see why Wilson couldn't be the nickel.

Dealing with it,
Tom

I understand the thought process, but switching Wilson to CB would be just like moving any random 5 year safety to full time CB. Even in BB's system, most often the flexibility to a specific role in a specific situation.

Again, the fact that Wilson played CB in college has been rendered completely irrelevent by his limited play there in the NFL. Had he been drafted as a safety would anyone really consider it? If your answer is no then you have to reach the same conclusion now as well.
 
I guess I needed two sarcasm icons. I believe that Asante will be gone. He thoought that he was pro-bowler equal to Champ Bailey and refused to sign with the patriots last year. The patriots laughed and franchised him. He sat out. Finally he agreed to play for one year rather than sign a long-term low ball deal offered by the patriots. He risked injury. He went out and proved himself. He is a probowler, and there will be many willing to pay for a long-term deal.

I don't know who he will choose, or which teams he will rule in or out. But I doubt very much that he will even give much consideration to patriot offers. The patriots denied him the market price last year. Asante has served well under his rookie contract and under this last year's forced contract. I wish him well. I can only hope that he plays in the NFC.

Our number one and number issues for the offseason will be to address the positions of Samuel and Gay. Yes, Richardson and Andrews can compete for reps at CB and special teams. It is indeed possible that Richardson could rise to being a solid nickel in his first year on the field. I think it unlikely, although I certainly look forward to his return. for now let's call the two of them our top backup defensive backs, after our three returning safeties (Harrison, Sanders and Meriweather) and our one returning corner.
CORNER 4 (Hobbs,???,???,???)
SAFETY 3 (Harrison,Sanders,Meriweather)
BACKUPS 2 (Andrews,Richardson)
Yes, sometimes we keep a ninth or even a tenth, as special team specialists.

Say, we have 4 corner positions, including Hobbs.
#1 corner Hobbs
#2 corner ??????
#3 corner ??????
#4 corner ??????
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As of now, we are in serious trouble. A #4 will be available on the open market. We will bring in a Chad Scott or two to compete with Richardson for reps. Starting corners are extremely expensive in free agency, nickelbacks less so. I expect us to bring in at least SIX defensive backs to compete for the open spots, and perhaps to upgrade over Richardson or Andrews. I expect 2-3 draftees and 3-4 free agents. Hopefully, one of the free agents signed will be Gay. Another could be Chad Scott.

This is most doable.
#1 Hobbs
#2 #1 draft choice or Gay
#3 #1 draft choice or Gay
#4 Richardson or jag (who might be Chad Scott)
backups Andrews, other draft choice and another jag

THE KEYS
1) Re-sign Gay
2) Use a Day One draft choice (or Oakland's #3) fo a corner
3) Sign a couple of servicable backups

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Oh yes, in addition, we will need to bring in a couple of ILB's.















Huh?

Meriweather likely replaces Wilson, but who said Richardson will need to replace Asante? I do think Richardson could make a good third CB in 2008, and Andrews should see his role increase, but I'm not counting on Randall Gay's leaving, so he could also step into a larger role at CB.

If Asante leaves I'd think the fallowing would be at least somewhat likely.

1) Hobbs maintains his role as one of the two starting CB's. I'm not sure if he moves over or not...

2) Randall Gay gets resigned at a reasonable price, and has an increased role. Maybe that means they use him as the other starter, but they'll also be looking to bring in someone.

3) Mike Richardson gets a shot at playing Nickle, and I think he'll prove to be a good player in NE's system.

4) Andrews gets playing time as the fourth or fifth CB and gets a few more chances to prove himself.

5) Either Chad Scott returns or another vet CB comes in to compete with the younger guys, while adding depth.

6) NE spends one of their first two or three picks on a CB, and tries to develops him. Maybe he surprises in year one and climbs into a starting role mid-season (especially without someone like Asante already locking up a spot), and maybe he's only a backup year one. In my opinion if that CB happened to be someone like Jenkins or Cason, he'd find himself starting or at least getting some rotational work on the outside sometime during 2008. They'll also probably draft another DB mid to late second day of the draft.
 
I guess I needed two sarcasm icons.

I knew you were being sarcastic with that remark. I just thought your sarcasm was aimed at the posters who were talking about Richardson and Andrews stepping up. I wanted to point out that I didn't think we were trying to say that would happen, or needed to happen (their taking over for Samuel and Gay).
 
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DB thoughts:

It wouldn't surprise if Tim Mixon (CB on the PS) has a better career than Mike Richardson.

Willie Andrews' ceiling is probably top STer, 1B/2A KR, and backup FS.

As for the Stomper, maybe he could try catching with his feet. I would still have drafted the Poz or, gulp, David Harris.

Geno Wilson is probably no longer a starting-caliber FS. His body just can't take it. He should have re-converted to CB after Rodney's return from suspension, if not much sooner.

Scary dream: "Now starting at CB for the Dolphins/Jets...Asante Samuel." Pay the man.
 
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I'm certainly not advocating Wilson replacing Asante and becoming a starter. But one way or the other Asante's departure will leave an open spot at CB and I don't see why Wilson couldn't be the nickel.

Dealing with it,
Tom

Because whispers from every direction say that the Pats are very likely going to let Wilson go after this season. There's VERY little chance he's even on the roster, and if he's not on the roster, I'm banking he won't be playing corner for us - OR safety, for that matter.
 
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