Welcome to PatsFans.com

Belichick breaking down X's and O's

Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by supafly, Dec 2, 2011.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. supafly

    supafly PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2008
    Messages:
    15,021
    Likes Received:
    344
    Ratings:
    +1,001 / 10 / -7

    #24 Jersey

    I am sure that many of you saw this on Patriots Today, or via the patriots.com and espn.com websites, (credit given to those sources) but for those who didn't get a chance yet..here is a very nice breakdown by Coach Belichick on some of the key plays from the Philly game:

    Patriots Today - Belichick Breakdown

    It's only about 6 minutes or so, and it goes over such plays as:

    --Welker's selling of the crossing route inside

    --the great pass protection on some of the key throws, specifically the 41 yd flick to Welker

    --the 1 yard goal-line run from BJGE (of course one of BB's favorites)

    --some containment/edge setting highlights from the negative run from LeSean McCoy (tackle by Rob Ninkovich)

    --a nice combination of both coverage and pass rush on the Ninkovich sack
     
  2. patsfan13

    patsfan13 Hall of Fame Poster PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2005
    Messages:
    24,886
    Likes Received:
    109
    Ratings:
    +244 / 8 / -13

    It's always fun to see the plays though his eyes since he understands the role of every player on each play.

    Seeing the team dynamic required for team success is what it is all about.

    "Just do your job."
     
  3. supafly

    supafly PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2008
    Messages:
    15,021
    Likes Received:
    344
    Ratings:
    +1,001 / 10 / -7

    #24 Jersey

    Oh, I absolutely agree.

    It's a gem to be able to see him telling us what's going on, and what impressed him. Honestly, I could probably watch it all day :cool:
     
  4. Patspsycho

    Patspsycho Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2009
    Messages:
    9,930
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    This is why I wish the all-22 film would be made available to the public, because then we would see the depth of the play designs and how specific they can get.

    On the play action, that is clearly a tendency option play on Welker's man (Nate Allen, SS, as the single high safety) where if Welker sees him overplay or bite heavily on the play action, Welker has the option to sell the deep in route with a subtle head fake and stutter step and go fly, like a stop 'n' go route (almost a double move). What I find interesting is that they choose to play cover 2 on the weakside, but are in cover 0 on Underwood, as if they think he'll pull a Slater on them. You see Brady isn't going MOFO but checks down, so you know Welker wasn't the first call, but as Brady checks down he knows Welker has the green light option and may be exercising it, and anticipates it perfectly. A well designed play that is tendency dictated (as opposed to coverage dictated). This also helps explain why Ocho has such a hard time in this system. He never had to worry about such a thing in Cincinnati.
     
  5. supafly

    supafly PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2008
    Messages:
    15,021
    Likes Received:
    344
    Ratings:
    +1,001 / 10 / -7

    #24 Jersey

    Nice analysis. I believe that BB said that they had seen Nate Allen bite on that before. If so, great coaching, gameplanning, and overall execution. The Welker sell on the crossing route is the one that impressed me too. That's a tremendous gift, and a player that absolutely has to stay here.

    Ocho can't even run the coverage dictated routes, let alone the tendency dictated ones. As a matter of fact, I am also going to assume that he cannot successfully (at least consistantly) run the more basic, "regular" routes that are likely simplified and watered down as much as possible. There has to be some semblence of a basic route formation that they tried to add, execute, or develop just for the likes of him. Something that is built to his strength and/or lack of understanding and comprehension. Just a guess anyway.

    I still think that he will end up contributing on the level of Tate (low receptions for high average and a couple TD's), but he is quickly running out of time for that prediction to come true.
     
  6. Gumby

    Gumby 2nd Team Getting Their First Start

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2004
    Messages:
    1,865
    Likes Received:
    13
    Ratings:
    +25 / 0 / -0

    #11 Jersey

    Just superb (as always), when you get to hear the breakdown from the master.

    I especially liked the part about "wendy". when he lays out Babin. That was great seeing him flat on his back.

    One odd thing; BB seemed like he was squinting a lot or that he has something funny in his eyes. especially right at the end.
     
  7. supafly

    supafly PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2008
    Messages:
    15,021
    Likes Received:
    344
    Ratings:
    +1,001 / 10 / -7

    #24 Jersey

    Yes, I noticed that too. Who knows? Maybe it's nothing more than a nervous attribute? I would imagine that he's not entirely comfortable out there, even with all of his exposure after all these yrs. I've never really noticed him having a sight issue/squinting before. Maybe we're both nuts, that may be closer to the truth...;)

    Was it me, or did he keep pronouncing Eagles DE "Bay bin?" Sort of like he does with Brian Orakpo (Orap-ko he calls him). Of course, we'll see next week if he finally knows his name or not.

    I'm guessing he pronounces it right this time.
     
  8. Fencer

    Fencer Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2006
    Messages:
    7,922
    Likes Received:
    49
    Ratings:
    +157 / 2 / -15

    #12 Jersey

    BB has flu-like symptoms.

    Irritated eyes can go with that.
     
  9. DarrylS

    DarrylS PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2004
    Messages:
    41,844
    Likes Received:
    184
    Ratings:
    +380 / 11 / -28

    As much as I enjoy BB breaking things down, shows how undisciplined the Philadelphia "Dream Team" is or how poorly they are coached..

    Nmadi who??
     
  10. pdangle

    pdangle On the Game Day Roster

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2008
    Messages:
    443
    Likes Received:
    19
    Ratings:
    +38 / 1 / -0

    I think the Welker TD play, is a bit more cat and mouse than I at first realized until watching and listening again carefully.

    BB seems to indicate that there's more than meets the eye as he's interrupted by Zolak again (Hey remember him? He used to play QB! Can't you tell by his comfortable locker room player coach banter? Sorry Z, but can it. It's ******* BB, let the man finish a sentence)

    Anyway, BB says "When Allen drives on the route, he.. step[ZOLAK INTERUPTS]..yes, we ran it before.. we've seen him come down and try to hit this...The linebackers step up on the play action, that creates a lot of space, thats where were going."

    Which to me indicates Allen is not biting on the play-action per se. It's a reaction to an adjustment to a reaction based on calculated risk. Goes like this, Allen probably was victimized a couple times by the Pats on the basic route at first, until he eventually figures it out. Hmmm, they make space with the PA and send in Welker? I need to jump up there quick when I see that again. Eureka! He probably makes a few plays. BB goes WTF? How's he up there so fast? Ah, he's driving the route, up there to hit it. He sees how we set things up, that that's the part of the field Welker buys his lunch, thinks they never go deep, and now those gambles are costing my team completions. Hmmm... how do we take advantage of this...
     
  11. ALP

    ALP Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2007
    Messages:
    7,501
    Likes Received:
    18
    Ratings:
    +48 / 2 / -0

    im confused, what does the bolded part mean? on the welker TD play underwood is far left (from offensive standpoint) right?...he only has one man on him, cover 0 means no safety

    if the eagles were expecting a slater deep bomb type play wouldn't they have a safety over him?
     
  12. Patspsycho

    Patspsycho Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2009
    Messages:
    9,930
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    Right, cover 0 is pure man to man coverage, and if you watch the man on Underwood, you'll see him play on top with inside-out technique which indicates no safety help. If he was supposed to have safety help, he would be in trail tech or at least contain with outside leverage (i.e., steering Underwood towards the safety).

    And yes, Underwood is on the bottom of the screen (strongside). And while they thought he might take off for the Slater-type play, apparently they didn't respect him enough to roll the safety his way. In other words, Underwood ain't no Moss.
     
  13. patfanken

    patfanken Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2005
    Messages:
    5,800
    Likes Received:
    422
    Ratings:
    +729 / 17 / -9

    #91 Jersey

    P, I think it was less a reaction to the play action and more an anticipation to the fake incut, which is the route Welker usually runs, by Allen. He was jumping the incut trying to make a big play and.......

    Its kind of ironic, because fans always want the DBs to play aggressively and make big plays, while at the same time hating passive conservative zones. Well this is the result of trying to make "big plays" with aggressive play.

    Key word here is.....perspective ;)
     
  14. The Brandon Five

    The Brandon Five Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2010
    Messages:
    6,597
    Likes Received:
    72
    Ratings:
    +231 / 5 / -4

    #75 Jersey

    The breakdowns from the rest of the games are there too. I never knew about this. Sweet!

    Thanks for posting this, Supa!
     
  15. xmarkd400x

    xmarkd400x 2nd Team Getting Their First Start

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2007
    Messages:
    1,746
    Likes Received:
    6
    Ratings:
    +6 / 0 / -0

    Is it just me, or is the Patriots media player the worst thing out there?

    I have clicked refresh 10 times and I get one of two problems:
    1) No video
    2) The commercial and content are attempting to play at the same time
     
  16. Patspsycho

    Patspsycho Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2009
    Messages:
    9,930
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    That's what I mean by "overplay," e.g., jumping the route.

    And your point is good- our "conservative" defense prefers death by a thousand cuts instead of a bullet to the head, and it is statistically superior in the long run because there are only a few QB's in this league with the kind of patience and discipline to defeat this "conservative" defense.
     
  17. Fencer

    Fencer Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2006
    Messages:
    7,922
    Likes Received:
    49
    Ratings:
    +157 / 2 / -15

    #12 Jersey

    Two tricks:

    Right-click the video to a separate browser window.
    Change rendering engine on your browser/change browser.
     
    Last edited: Dec 3, 2011
  18. Fencer

    Fencer Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2006
    Messages:
    7,922
    Likes Received:
    49
    Ratings:
    +157 / 2 / -15

    #12 Jersey

    One of the plays BB highlighted (I forget now from which game) was on special teams, and a pair of players he called out favorably were Ventrone and Adams.

    Oh well ...
     
  19. supafly

    supafly PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2008
    Messages:
    15,021
    Likes Received:
    344
    Ratings:
    +1,001 / 10 / -7

    #24 Jersey

    No problem. I saw it, and I know that many really enjoy the X's and O's aspect of individual play/game breakdowns. Glad you found the other games too.
     
  20. TomPatriot

    TomPatriot PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2007
    Messages:
    912
    Likes Received:
    9
    Ratings:
    +37 / 0 / -0

    On the Welker TD, I think the Eagles are in Cover 2 man with Hanson as a nickel playing slot corner. Only the safeties have zone responsibilities. Corners and the Sam are in man coverage.

    Hanson bites badly on the play action and I think that's why Allen drives so hard on the route. It's tough on Hanson because he has Welker and run responsibility.

    It's funny that Underwood was the safety valve on the play.
     
    Last edited: Dec 3, 2011
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page

unset ($sidebar_block_show); ?>