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  1. cblesz

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    Please, Please, Please explain to me why a majority of the media and analysts are all picking or leaning to the Giants. Just on NFL network, Adam Schefter, "a lot of people think the Giants can do it"..Solomon Wilcots, "the Giants are quietly confident"...blah, blah, blah.

    Look, I know this is the media and they need to keep people interested. But give me a break. Simply stating that the Giants played with the Patriots in week 17, lost by only 3 points, Giants have won three on the road, Eli is all of a sudden all world is not reason to think the Giants can or will win. Did they watch the week 17 game? We put up 38 points on them, in the cold, on the road. Anyone remember the Patriot and Ram Super Bowl? NOBODY gave us a chance! Some were saying we would lose by 70. How is this different? We played the Rams earlier in the season, played them tough and only lost by 7. The pundits claim the Giants can win because they "almost" beat us. Well, we ALMOST beat the Rams...yet nobody gave said we were "confident" or would win...

    Look. It is still Eli Manning. We were missing the right side of our line and still kept Tom Brady pretty clean.Maroney is now running effectively. The weather will not be a factor. The Giants beat: a weak Tampa team, a poorly coached Dallas team (which had every chance to win...sound familiar?), and a vastly overrated Green Bay team...erratic Brett Favre anyone?The Patriots beat the best rushing team in the NFL, Jacksonville, the "most talented team" in the NFL who just beat "the other best team in the NFL" and NOW the Giants are going to shock the world.All I am saying is back the freaking "guess/prediction" up with FACTS...please!
    It is getting truly annoying.
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    What do you want them to do, say don't bother tuning in? And why do you care so much about pre game spin... Maybe what we did taught them to never say never. Maybe they hate to see this team go undefeated. Maybe they are just closet Giants fans.

    I wish we could talk about and enjoy this team and this game and football here and quit whining about the media or taking polls or rehashing spygate or behaving like smack talking trolls. You know, act like we've been there before...

    That we can't here anymore is what I find truly annoying.
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    Bottom line, either team could win. We are by far the favorites for a number of reasons. The most important is the dome environment and Brady and our WR's. I don't see us losing, but anything can happen. You should know that.

    I don't think many people are seriously taking the Giants, but you know everyone roots for the underdog unless they have an interest otherwise.

    So, it is OK. Relax and enjoy the game. If we lose, well, we lose. I don't see it but it could happen. But, not likely.
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    The people love an underdog, and the media oves an upset.

    While the Patriots becoming the first team to go 19-0 in history is the bigger story for the NFL, the media has little else to be gained from its happening. A Giants upset is a bigger immediate story. The ratings would be huge, people would tune in to ESPN in droves to catch the highlights/recap. A Patriots win won't have such immediate media impact. It's expected. When it happens, people will turn off the TV, go to bed, and that will be that.
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    I know, but no media was leaning to or picking the Pats to even be in the Super Bowl against the Rams, let alone win it...
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    I agree, it's annoying. Just let the idiots be idiots.
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    The Patriots have stolen prescience from the gaggle of analysts this year. What fun is it to say, "The Patriots will win"? After all, they ALWAYS win. At least this year, they do. So, if you want to set yourself apart as a smarter-than-everyone-else football talkinghead, the only way to do it is to predict upset. It's the same reason your favorite football writer, Michael Felger, has taken the now-vacated Ron Borges Chair in the College of Patriots Writers. Problem with him, though, is that he's not smart enough to pull it off with a straight face.
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    Don't let it get to you, lesz.

    Think of it as a heaven-sent opportunity
    for an 18-0 team to STILL
    play the disrespect card
    that works so well for the Patriots.

    (Would you prefer the media was pimping us like the old Rams?)
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    I, and a few others have posted similar posts. I hear your frustration for this, but I love this.
  10. cblesz

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    I know...there were more posts...but I could not take it anymore...
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    It's called headlines.

    They want people to think that the giants have a chance, and will watch the game.
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    Right and ...

    this is a grand example of brainwashing. Say it enough times and many will
    think it is true.
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    If you are talking about sirius NFL........ try to keep in mind. They are based in NYC and many of the hosts live and are based out of there and are closet Giant fans anyway.

    Hell Bob Pappa is the Giants play-by-play guy. I've listened this week and it's all Giants all the time. I generally like it too. This week however, it has been leaning hard to the Giants.
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    Good God...EVERYONE is jizzing over Eli manning now...after a few good games he is now Unitas...arghhhh!!!
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    I don't care who the mediots pick. The only thing annoying me of late is the constant talk of the Giants road game winning streak. And, how they've "won more road games than NE".

    Yea, the Giants have won more road games than NE, only because NE didn't have to win their playoff games on the road!! last time I checked NE's won every game they've played this season, which seems just a little more impressive...
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    Of course, there's always the prospect of enhancing one's perception as a skilled analyst.

    If they pick the Giants and they win, they're a genius who went against the stampeding herd. If they pick the Giants and they lose, so what they took a chance, it will soon be forgotten.

    If they pick the Patriots, big deal, everyone expects the Patriots to win.
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    That was a good post!:D
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    What's gonna happen, should the Patriots win, is we'll see all these talking heads singing the Patriots' praises, dissecting the game to death, and completely and totally ignoring their rash predictions about a Giants' upset.

    These guys predicting this upset is happening with rather stunning regularity, so much so that it almost appears to be "mainstream thought". Of course, as all we learned long ago, there is nothing "mainstream" about the mass media's thought processes, and what we're witnessing here is either another, more modern extraordinary popular delusion and madness of crowds, wishful thinking, or just simple whistling past the graveyard.

    In any event, I look forward to the "analysis" put forth by these guys. Now that will be real entertainment!
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    You sound like an '85 Bears fan who was wondering how anybody could have picked the Patriots.

    Rule #1: People sometimes like the underdog.
    Rule #2: There are upsets in the NFL.
    Rule #3: 'Dynasties Suck' is the chant of the week.
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    Excellent post. This is football where each team has a chance to win. Given the competitiveness of the Giants through the playoffs, it shouldn't be any other way. What better way to test each team's capabilities than to face a tough opponent. The game is decided on Sunday. Until then, the analysis will be over the top with varying opinions due to the massive exposure of this game. Remember the media drumbeats prior to facing the Rams, the Panthers, and the Eagles. Many expected each team to win. This is the Super Bowl.

    At some point this week, it will be refreshing to read and post to some threads discussing game strategy. Until then, others can get their knickers in a twist over the mindless commentary so typical of this stage before the game. There are better things to do.
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    Over at SI, Dr. Z predicted that the Giants win and Don Banks predicted that the Patriots win.

    Dr. Z was on the front page of the last edition. Don Banks was not.

    In other words, there's no "news" in predicting a Pats' victory. These guys don't care about being "right" or "wrong," they care about getting publicity and selling magazines, newspapers or website "hits."
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    Well put. Basically, it's a risk/reward calculation.

    Let's say for the sake of argument that there's an 80% chance the Patriots win. Then let's put the value of the various predictions, in Media Status Points, as follows:

    - Correctly predicting a Patriots win: 1 MSP
    - Correctly predicting a Giants win: 10 MSP
    - Incorrectly predicting a Patriots win: -2 MSP
    - Incorrectly predicting a Giants win: -5 MSP

    That makes the expected values of the picks:

    Patriots: .8(1) - .2(2) = .4 MSP
    Giants: .2(10) - .8(5) = -2 MSP

    In other words, the Patriots are the "rational" pick in terms of having the best expected value, but the maximum return on that pick is low. It's like putting a dollar in your savings account vs. buying a lottery ticket. You know the lottery ticket has a negative expected value, but sometimes you take the chance at the jackpot.

    Disclaimer: I have absolutely no idea if those calculations are right or if this post makes any sense at all, and I am too lazy to read back over it and check.
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    Wait. Are you actually OFFENDED that people in the media say the Giants have a CHANCE to win? That's hilarious.

    HOW DARE the media say the Giants could even possibly beat the Patriots!

    :rolleyes:
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    Anyone who picked the Pats to beat the mighty Rams must have been an idiot then. Upsets happen, and what the media says really means nothing, so save yourself the anxiety and just don't pay attention to it.
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