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    Says the increased pressure we witnessed on Sunday was the result of facing a Bruce Arians offense and QB he feared would make the downfield throws and not make mistakes unless pressured to. Says BB plays the % much of the time believing enough QB mistakes will be made absent it. Would like to see that change, doubts it will.

    Credits pressure up front for improved performance. Beyond McCourty whom he sees improving with every start at FS not impressed with secondary play. Besides the INT felt Talib had a bad day at the office. Hopes that can be chalked up to rust.

    Some interesting observations and opinions on offense too. Says Edelman was running routes usually handled by Hernandez. Expects him to eat into Lloyd's reps going forward as Lloyd doesn't get open quickly enough or generate the YAC for what they are trying to do. Says Woodhead's usage was down because they prefer him against tougher run D.

    Pressure from Patriots may be short-lived - Patriots - Boston.com
     
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    This little statement just made me think.... I don't think I recall a single Lloyd reception where he generated ANY YAC... Am I wrong? All the catches he's made, he always falls or slides down.
     
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    i agree, though it must be said, up to this last game the guy was running comeback/curl routes a lot, and those are not exactly YAC routes

    not this last game he was used more by running slants, which can produce YAC, but brady's throws didn't really position him that well for that either

    although this analysis is insightful, id warn about taking everything he says as a fact
     
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    Yes, thank you for mentioning this. I've loved a lot of Lloyd's game, but for crying out lout, can he stay on his feet just once after a catch?

    He's 117th in YAC, with 107 yards on 46 catches, which comes to about 2.5 YAC. Honestly, I'm surprised it's that many (I'd bet half of them are just from rolling on the ground a yard from sheer momentum!)

    By comparison, Welker — you know, the little short yardage guy — is second in YAC and comes to 6 yards.

    I do love that he's able to get those sideline catches, and that helps open things up in the middle. It just seems so often predetermined that he is going down as soon as (if not before) he catches the ball.
     
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    This brought a smile to my face.

    Good article, and hopefully he's wrong. Giving a QB the rope and hoping he hangs himself doesn't seem to be as effective as it once was. I'm most likely wrong, but that's sure how it feels.
     
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    I can't remember ever thinking 'man is he fast', as he races down the sideline after a long throw. Yea, seems like it's the back shoulder grab, the acrobatic catch, or the slide. The possession receiver?
     
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    To be fair, Lloyds YAC would be considerably better if Brady could actually hit him (or anyone for that matter) in stride on those deep sideline patterns.

    I mentioned this in another thread, but an area of Brady's game that I feel has regressed is this exact type of route - deep down the sideline, deep down the middle.

    I think of the miscues for Welker and LLoyd on Sunday - I think back to the poorly thrown deep balls to Welker and Gronk in the Superbowl.

    Brady has been awesome for a long time now - but the glaring weakness in his game is the deep bomb - often underthrown it feels like it has more chance of being picked than caught by a receiver.
     
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    Brady underthrows people on deep balls?? What?? He pretty much always overthrows them, because he's too cautious. And the deep ball isn't the best aspect of Brady's game, but the one time he had a receiver who could get consistent separation deep, he hit him in stride more often than not. Welker and Lloyd aren't the types of receivers that you really want out there running go patterns down the sidelines. Every single guy in the NFL that's considered a great deep ball thrower has one or more guys who are great deep ball receivers. Brady's had that guy for 36 games of his career.
     
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    I finally watched the game on the DVR. Personally, I thought this was a game that was a lot closer then the score would indicate. Turnovers that the Pats made and capitalized on really made the difference. I don't know why people thought the secondary was any better, they still allowed to Colts to convert third and tens easily. I can't remember the last time an opposing team did not convert a third and long.

    The O-line I thought did OK, but was made to look a lot better because of Brady. He moved in the pocket beautifully and made quick decisions. Look for the Jets to make Brady hold the ball for one more second and they know they can get to him.

    These next few games without Gronk really worry me. He is Brady's safety blanket, something Hernandez is not.
     
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    So the change of scheme/philosophy, though short lived, DOES make a big difference. Where are the doubters now who proclaimed our defense, especially our secondary, was terrible due to talent ALONE and not scheme. You know who you are.
     
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    To me it sounded like Bedard decided what the article was going to be about then went to the film to fill in the blanks. Calling a Big Ben and a rookie QBs who dont make mistakes unless you pressure them is quite a stretch, IMO.
    Again, Bedard should stick to reporting, not analysis.

    Interesting how he ends the beginning part of the article by saying he wants BB to change but he doesn't expect him to because what he does has been very successful for a long time.
     
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    I agree, i think Brady right now, lacks the deep ball because we don't have a true vertical threat. Our receivers are short and quick, not tall and fast. If we had a burner on our team, Brady like in 07 would break records.
     
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    Different schemes work against different offenses.
    We have 2 recent articles that suggest blitzing vs the Bills would have been foolhard, and blitzing vs the Colts makes sense. Right or wrong, they clearly explain that different approaches work better or worse against different offenses. "The scheme' is to game plan for the opponent.
     
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    Lloyd was open deep against the colts and Brady over threw him.
     
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    Agree with Bedard that Edelperson is much better YAC. Edes needs to hang onto the ball better and he'll be an asset in the Hernandez patterns mode. Edelman reminds me of Givens who always scrapped for the extra yards after catch, Mr 1st down. Givens was bigger & stronger, Edes faster and quicker.

    I think Talib had his bad plays, remembering a deep completion with his back to the QB on a play that could have been defended or picked but in most plays he was close to the receiver. I thought he did well given all the rust. The TD against him was a precision throw of beauty that would beat anyone (except Revis. :) )

    The other CBs were decent this game as well. Even Arrington tipped a pass for a Wilson lucky position pick. And Dennard's jump in front of the WR for a pick six was textbook. McCourty made a couple of plays assisting the CBs that were fine FS moves. It was an improvement to see safeties in the same zip code as WRs for once. Showing signs of improvement.
     
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    :confused: But one of the main reasons folks have been pining for better DB talent is to allow that change in scheme. The aggressive approach you've been waiting for coincided precisely with the arrival of Talib, so that they now have a defensive backfield reasonably capable of executing it.
     
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    I find it hilarious that apparently the Patriots only unleash their super weapon Danny Woodhead against run D's that are worthy and tough enough to merit him.
     
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    Pats are dead last in the league on 3rd down defense. So no surprise there.
     
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    As much as I dislike that bozo, Plaxico Burress would have given us just that.
     
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    How? He can't get ANY separation at this point. Plax would help us in the red zone, but that's pretty much it.
     
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