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    Excellent work by Greg. Including some interesting personal insight into the mindset inside the organization between 2009 and present. From get the TE tandem that works to locate that outside the numbers threat to make sure you can run when you have to. And why we will likely carry 4 TE, not so much to use them (although we may at times) as insure we can always field 2 capable of filling their specific roles. As well as comments from around the league on the evolution in defending the multiple TE offense and the increasingly popular hurry up, what it takes and the difficulty that presents when constructing the roster that still has to be able to play more traditional or base defense. Something Belichick has also set out to do.



    Rise after fall - Patriots - Boston.com

    Tight ends are changing how defenses are constructed - Sports - The Boston Globe
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    Good read.

    Still can't believe how close they came to NOT getting Gronkowski. With the Raiders on the clock and the Ravens picking in between the Raiders and Patriots and also desperate for a Tight End..somehow the Pats pulled off the trade right before time expired.
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    And to get Hernandez in the FOURTH FREAKING ROUND.
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    I don't always agree with some of Bedard"s speculative opinions, but when he sits down and writes about the game of football in general he offers one thing that is very rare in today's age of tweeter journalism......INSIGHT. You walk away from these articles knowing more than you did before. Understanding more than you did before, and perhaps getting closer to figuring out that elusive "Why", that we are always trying to figure out.

    Thanks for bringing this to our attention, Mo. Kudos to you and BRAVO to Bedard.
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    maybe we need to get better college scounting and get some solid picks to smoke weed and have their stock fall in the draft.
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    After the 2009 season, I stated that Belichick needed to have a slam dunk of a draft in order for this team to enter a new era of dominance. The free agent moves weren't coming. Guys like Boldin were going to the Ravens while we were sitting tight and only resigning Leigh Bodden. Lo and behold, a slam dunk occurs. We steal Gronk and grab Hernandez in the 4th. We get a violent LB to pair with Mayo. That draft really set up this new era for us and has really re-defined the league. Sure, they're responding to it with the return of the Big Nickel but the league is still years away from perfecting a style of defense across the board that can stop this TE combo, let alone an outside threat (preferably multiple, IMO) that can operate outside the numbers.
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    Also, this article points out just how awesome Bill Belichick is at addressing a need following a playoff loss...
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    That draft also yielded McCourty, Cunningham, Mesko, and Deaderick, who could all be key players for this year's team (Cunningham and Deaderick in more reserve/situational roles).
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    nice read. thx for intertwining the 2 articles.
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    Kudos to Bedard & Mo for a football content informative thread
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    The stars really had to align for Hernandez to fall into the Pats' laps. This was hardly an under-the-radar guy -- he was the Mackey Award winner as the nation's best college tight end. The drug tests were obviously a huge factor, but the 2010 draft class itself was every bit as important. Check out the TEs drafted before him:

    Jermaine Gresham
    Rob Gronkowski
    Ed Dickson
    Tony Moeaki
    Jimmy Graham

    With that kind of unprecedented bonanza available, it was easy for teams to talk themselves out of gambling on a talented "character risk."
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    Great articles; not just the analysis, but how he described what happened on the field and tied it all together. Being a fan would be so much more enjoyable if this was the standard and not the exception.
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    If the Saints had taken Hernandez, say, I think the Pats would have been just fine with Graham. Or Gresham. Or Moeaki. Etc. They were likely to score with a good second TE.....I'm just glad it was Hernandez.
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    As a minor point, doesn't the mere fact that the Patriots were willing to sign GRONK and Hernandez to mega-extensions suggest that BB doesn't see anyone truly "solving" this problem anytime soon?
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    One other thing worth noting: Bedard suggest Ebner is a "tweener" similar to Tavon Wilson. :eek:
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    That was my exact thought when these guys were drafted.
    Risk being that Ebner had no PT experience. Could he, can he "see" the field?
    Despite that he was an instant binkie.
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    Until college football produces more Tavon Wilson's, the answer is probably "No".

    Ofcourse, the concept also pre-supposes outstanding coaching and flexibility. That's most likely the limiting factor.

    Only the master craftsman can realize the full potential of superior tools.
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    Great read, and my thanks for the links to those articles!

    Greg mentions the same thing I've said here many times: Coach Belichick is playing chess, Master-Level Chess, mind you, while many of the other teams are still playing Monopoly or Chutes & Ladders.

    It is what he does, I believe, better than anything else. Looking at what he has now, what the rest of the league is doing, who is coming down the pike from the College ranks, and how can I use them, and then designing a plan to best utilize all of that information.
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    As opposed to the JEST, who have yet to figure out that "roshambo" is another name for rock-paper-scissors. :D
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    The Ratbirds claim GRONK wasn't on their draft board. Not sure if I buy that. :)
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    INSIGHT!!! It is truly the widepsread lack of this that turns me off pre-game shows. That espn crew is the worst. I listen to these former players talk and I think, did they even look at a bit of film or interview any players or coaches. Dilfer and Jaworski at least look at film and offer some analysis. I wonder sometimes if these former receivers in particular (Carter and Johnson) know anything other than a route tree. Even Ditka doesn't sound intelligent. Has the game changed that much. Personally , I just think they are lazy and their preparation is reading some articles and stats and then show up on set and throw some worthless shock value opinions to see what sticks.
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    I wouldn't put it that way- outthinking the opponent by being on another level is overrated. He simply has the ability to be self-critical, admit his faults and evolve/adapt.

    I would think it's more of honestly acknowledging that when "you eliminate Moss and take away Welker, there's crap left, so let's take a look at the upcoming draft and see what we can do to eliminate that- this particular draft is rich in TE's so let's go in that direction and identify what works for us."

    He also has the ability to bring out the best in players by playing to their strengths. Most coaches play with a "you fit in my system" mentality.
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    Gronknandez is truly a beastly combination. They really tore it up last year and the league, being a copycat league is scrambling to catch up. Talented tight ends are becoming real matchup problems. And more and more athletic guys in college are moving over to that position. The mismatch an athletic tightend like Hernandez poses creates havoc on defense! And then you've got Gronk who is a physical freak and moves like a gazelle for his size. It's crazy to try to defend against both at the same time!

    2010 was really the year of the tight end and the Pats hit jackpot twice. Saints are also quite happy with getting Jimmy Graham, I'm sure.

    Tavon Wilson was a headscratcher at first but given the Pats needs at safety and how quickly he has fit in, it looks like BB knows best yet again. Ebner, looks like anoher steal. An instinctive player who just 'gets it' and tackles very well at the safety position and offers athleticism we did not have at the position last season. Looks like a possible steal for us in the 6th.

    A lot of talent on this 2012 Patriots squad. Now we have to wait and see how it all comes together. Very exciting year of football ahead of us!

    Go Pats! :rocker:
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    Great reads.

    This little anecdote I found interesting..

    That Chip Kelly was included is interesting. I have watched most of the Ducks games the past few years. And always kept saying to myself last year that the Pats no huddle was like the Ducks. And kinda of wondered if BB had maybe made a trip to Eugene or Chip to Foxboro.

    I never could find anything putting them together. So I find it interesting that Chip was included in this paragraph on coaches BB visits and has relationships with.
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    I declare this a BRILLIANT idea!

    Figure out who we want to Draft... then pull the ol' honey trap with drugs, hookers and some fast cars. If that doesn't work, we switch their urine sample for a positive!

    Character Assassination a couple weeks before the draft.

    BB drafts the "troubled personality" and turns him around.. he gets proven a genius, we get the best talent, all at bargain prices ;)
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    Jet fans and Roger Goodell already suspect BB of such
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    I don't think it's possible for college kids to smoke any more weed.
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    Bedard is the best analyst we've seen around these parts, by a wide margin. Luckily, he does not seem to have the talent or inclination to be a TV personality and thus won't be stolen away by ESPN or NFLN--here's hoping he stays local.
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    If you like stories like these, and want to see more of them, you might consider expressing your appreciation in an email to Bedard, and cc'ing his sports editor.

    The readership's engagement with the content is equally important as their quantity to a publication, but the latter is so much easier to measure that it often has a louder voice when it comes to influencing editorial strategy.

    The best way to show the Globe that stories like this, while not getting the most total page views, are the most likely to win the loyalty of the readers who care most about sports coverage.

    Their respective emails, if you're so inclined:

    Greg Bedard, Reporter - gbedard@globe.com
    Sean Leahy, Sports Editor - sean.leahy@boston.com
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    I'm a big fan of Alabama and knew of the relationship between Saban and Belichick. It goes back a long time. Coach also used to go fishing with Jimmy Johnson.

    Regardless, I was thrilled to see Bama's Hightower get taken by the Pats. I think he'll do very well here.
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