Welcome to PatsFans.com

Bedard: Marriage between Welker and NE looks strong

Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by MoLewisrocks, Jan 13, 2013.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. MoLewisrocks

    MoLewisrocks PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2005
    Messages:
    19,949
    Likes Received:
    29
    Ratings:
    +29 / 0 / -0

    Greg had long felt that they were headed for divorce. He says the 2012 season as it unfolded may have saved the team from itself. I hope he's right.

    I also think what Greg's sources had to say about the game plan for AZ is as close as you will come to backing up what Gasper said. They were angling to move on until no one else they were sky high on could effectively answer the bell.

    As for the drops that bother some here to no end...




    Marriage between Wes Welker and New England Patriots looks strong - Patriots - Boston.com
  2. Deus Irae

    Deus Irae PatsFans.com Retired Jersey Club PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2006
    Messages:
    40,774
    Likes Received:
    64
    Ratings:
    +89 / 3 / -1

    Disable Jersey

    The above, especially the bolded portion, needs to be PM'd by Ian to every member of this site.
    Last edited: Jan 13, 2013
  3. Gwedd

    Gwedd PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 10, 2007
    Messages:
    4,898
    Likes Received:
    15
    Ratings:
    +20 / 0 / -0

    No Jersey Selected

    There has to be a way to keep him in New England. He's just so much a part of this team and this offense. I know that there are other options and other really great players, but Wes is in a class of his own.
  4. naF staP

    naF staP Rookie

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2010
    Messages:
    631
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    #12 Jersey

    The Welker and drops argument baffles me to no end. It's a whole lot of people not knowing what they are talking about. Why don't we instead worry and talk about Hernandez drops, because he is getting worse, not better.

    Welker catches 68% of his targets! Last year he caught 71% of his targets. Down a little this year compared to last year but still he catches a much higher percentage of his targets then any other top 10 receiver in the league. And don't say it's because he has Brady throwing to him and don't say it's because he is a slot receiver and catches short passes because those arguments wont stand up!. If you don't trust me, try me!
  5. Fencer

    Fencer Rookie

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2006
    Messages:
    7,608
    Likes Received:
    3
    Ratings:
    +3 / 0 / -0

    When you look at the offensive plays BB picks for his taped talks, often they feature Welker dashing across the field to deliver a very effective block.
  6. TheBostonStraggler

    TheBostonStraggler Rookie

    Joined:
    May 21, 2006
    Messages:
    1,966
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    An argument that connects WW's production and the words 'not enough' is laughable.
    The only thing I would add to this is signing WW is not as simple as the Patriots are better off with him on the team. It's just not that simple. In the Noll-Walsh era it was much more simple (meant as a shot at a certain smarmy b!+ch "writer":)). In the salary cap era, with the Patriots philosophy that is a winning one, there must be a target value for a player and position. Once you go above the target value then you are accepting that an another area will have to have decreased target values.
    Let me be clear, I want WW on the Patriots....very much so. Seeing him leave will be a blow. I hope his and the Patriots numbers are close enough to be doable. But the point is that the din of "just sign him" lacks an examination of the deeper issues involved.
  7. DarrylS

    DarrylS PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2004
    Messages:
    40,315
    Likes Received:
    19
    Ratings:
    +19 / 0 / -0

    When I hear about Edelman will replace Welker makes me wonder if BB will want a "fragile" receiver rather than a durable receiver.Welker is one of those guys who are not only incredibly tough, reliable, but also has incredible synchrocity with #12.

    I see them keeping him, he has a place here and perhaps they will be able to negotiate a contract...

    What it comes down to is length?? Would you do three years?? I would, and lure him with respectable amount of guaranteed money.
  8. TheBostonStraggler

    TheBostonStraggler Rookie

    Joined:
    May 21, 2006
    Messages:
    1,966
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    Well said. Gotta love Edelman and the level of things he now brings to the table. Receiver, return man, the occasional hand off, making it happen on coverage teams. But durability makes his actual value ??. It will also be interesting to see what it costs to keep JE.

    I hope the Patriots, if they can't come to terms on length, use the guaranteed money option to make themselves and WW feel good about the final numbers. Ideally both WW and JE are Patriots next year.....
  9. randomk1

    randomk1 Rookie

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2010
    Messages:
    3,818
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    I think 3 would be perfect.

    Watching it from Welker's standpoint sometimes i really have a hard time figuring out what their thought process is. They earn ****loads of cash. More than you can spend if you aren't a complete retard about it. In NE he has a shot at cementing a great career. Somewhere else for maybe 1 or 2 extra mill per year that might not be the case.
    He was dealt a great hand when NE picked him up and as a guy that has never been given anything in his career he should recognize it.
    Last edited: Jan 13, 2013
  10. ausbacker

    ausbacker Brady > Manning. PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2008
    Messages:
    12,963
    Likes Received:
    17
    Ratings:
    +22 / 0 / -0

    #51 Jersey

    Feel good stories about the Patriots before a playoff match? WTF is going on?
  11. mayoclinic

    mayoclinic PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    May 1, 2008
    Messages:
    12,376
    Likes Received:
    6
    Ratings:
    +7 / 0 / -0

    We're DOOOMED!!!
  12. BSR

    BSR Rookie

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2007
    Messages:
    2,903
    Likes Received:
    2
    Ratings:
    +2 / 0 / -0

    You missed the part about BB and McDaniels being the only ones that knew why. It could very well been an experimentation. A building process that would have eventually lead to a more diversified offense. I still think that is the case and am still worried about those same problems that led them to that thinking in the first place. Their passing game outside the numbers is just not where it should be. We all saw last night what happens if your QB can't throw to the outside (although in PMs case it was a lack of arm strength and not receivers).
  13. upstater1

    upstater1 Rookie

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2005
    Messages:
    12,926
    Likes Received:
    9
    Ratings:
    +9 / 0 / -0

    I still don't buy the argument. These writers get fed lines from people with certain motives. And though what Brady may have said at halftime is more believable, it's just Belichick bringing along players at a certain speed for when he needs them, and Edelman played a huge part this year in at least one game.
  14. PATSYLICIOUS

    PATSYLICIOUS Rookie

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2007
    Messages:
    10,961
    Likes Received:
    5
    Ratings:
    +8 / 0 / -0

    #12 Jersey

    Shoooooooooooooooot I'll wear an ivory dress with a satin ribbon sash and toss flowers if it meant a Welker extension
  15. mayoclinic

    mayoclinic PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    May 1, 2008
    Messages:
    12,376
    Likes Received:
    6
    Ratings:
    +7 / 0 / -0

    3 years, $24M, $16M guaranteed. Seems about right to me.
  16. DocHoliday

    DocHoliday Rookie

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2010
    Messages:
    2,755
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    I don't blame BB and JMcD for trying to see if they truly needed Welker. It's just due diligence and the question has been answered.

    It's a credit to WW that he's essentially created a new standard of play at the slot position. I saw Brandon Stokely pulling Welker moves yesterday, routes Stokely certainly wasnt running pre-07
  17. Deus Irae

    Deus Irae PatsFans.com Retired Jersey Club PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2006
    Messages:
    40,774
    Likes Received:
    64
    Ratings:
    +89 / 3 / -1

    Disable Jersey

    The point is that they were scaling back Welker's role in the offense. You can argue why until the cows come home. The "Why" is irrelevant to the fact that there are still people here who insist that the scaling back wasn't happening even though McDaniels acknowledged it.


    You're either not watching the games, or you're just prepping for a game thread, because this is a ridiculous notion of yours.
  18. Ivan

    Ivan Rookie

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2011
    Messages:
    5,205
    Likes Received:
    16
    Ratings:
    +22 / 4 / -4


    Those arguing they should sign Welker to a fair market deal have steadfastly been talking about 3-30/4-40 as the higher ends of a deal, and I haven't seen anyone go over 60 million, which is half of what CJ and Fitzgerald received, so no one is saying to give him a blank check. And the idea of letting him go over 4-40 is ridiculous because they cannot come anywhere close to replacing him for that money.

    If the Patriots fail to re-sign him and he receives 4-40 with Denver or Houston etc... then it will be the biggest mistake in team history, and a serious setback to winning more Lombardi's before Brady hangs them up. It literally amazes me that perople are more concerned with saving a few million against the cap over re-signing a player heading to the HOF and winning championships before Brady and Belichick are done.

    The fact that Brady has now gone on record and called him the greatest teammate he has ever had pretty much says it all.
  19. AndyJohnson

    AndyJohnson PatsFans.com Veteran PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2004
    Messages:
    21,851
    Likes Received:
    14
    Ratings:
    +22 / 0 / -1

    A nice misinformation campaign



    Posted from Patsfans.com App for Android
  20. Rob0729

    Rob0729 PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2006
    Messages:
    29,360
    Likes Received:
    46
    Ratings:
    +59 / 1 / -0

    We know Welker was scaled back for one and a half games. We don't know why or if it would have continued much long than it did if Herbandez got hurt or not. All that stuff is based on pure speculations and no facts to support it.
  21. Deus Irae

    Deus Irae PatsFans.com Retired Jersey Club PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2006
    Messages:
    40,774
    Likes Received:
    64
    Ratings:
    +89 / 3 / -1

    Disable Jersey

    There's no misinformation about it, as I've demonstrated to you multiple times. You made a really poor argument about Welker, consistently got your ass handed to you about it, and just can't admit that you were wildly off the mark.

    Deal with it and move on. I'm not getting into this with you again.
  22. Deus Irae

    Deus Irae PatsFans.com Retired Jersey Club PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2006
    Messages:
    40,774
    Likes Received:
    64
    Ratings:
    +89 / 3 / -1

    Disable Jersey

    Again, McDaniels acknowledged it. It's just the way it is. The argument of "But they scrapped it real quick!" doesn't change the fact that it was happening.
    Last edited: Jan 13, 2013
  23. patfanken

    patfanken Rookie

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2005
    Messages:
    5,494
    Likes Received:
    27
    Ratings:
    +37 / 0 / -2

    #91 Jersey

    They SHOULD be scaling back Welker's role....and that would be a good thing. Good for the Pats AND good for Welker. Do you think if Hernandez, Gronk, and Edelman don't miss a combined 20 games that Welker's numbers would be as high as they were.

    Don't you think that, assuming the Pats and Welker come to an agreement, that as he gets older that his workload gets smaller as well. It would be virtually impossible for him to equal his current numbers with a healthy Gronk, Hernandez, and hopefully additional future outside WR threats, and RB's become reliable targets and rushing threats going forward.
    If next season, Welker wound up with 80 catches and 900 yds. That would more likely be a product of a maturing and more diverse Pats offense than a decline in Welker's skill,
    .
    With all the injuries the Pats have had Welker has certainly been the most critically important receiver the Pats have, this year. He's the "go to guy, and probably will be throughout the playoffs. But maybe next year, he won't be.
  24. Ivan

    Ivan Rookie

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2011
    Messages:
    5,205
    Likes Received:
    16
    Ratings:
    +22 / 4 / -4

    Maybe next year the Patriots will suck and Borges will finally be right.



    Nothing better than an argument based on repeating the same thing year after year and concluding that someday you will be right.
  25. Rob0729

    Rob0729 PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2006
    Messages:
    29,360
    Likes Received:
    46
    Ratings:
    +59 / 1 / -0

    When did McDaniels acknowledge that they were punishing Welker for his contract situation or planning to totally phase him out of the offense. He may have acknowledge that they were trying different things on offense other than Welker, but he never mentioned why other than maybe they were trying somethings or how long it would have gone on. No way would McDaniels or Belichick say that it was contract related or disciplinary whether it was or not. Belichick has never addressed any of the famous benching situations throughout the years. Why would he now?

    Again, the speculated reasoning that Welker was benched as a punishment or contract related is just that - speculation.
  26. Shockt327

    Shockt327 Rookie

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2008
    Messages:
    988
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    This is the second time that you've made this claim recently. You got called out on it before and conveniently decided not to back it up.

    So, again, provide a link to this alleged quote from McDaniels trying to phase out Welker. Cite your source.
    Last edited: Jan 13, 2013
  27. Rob0729

    Rob0729 PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2006
    Messages:
    29,360
    Likes Received:
    46
    Ratings:
    +59 / 1 / -0

    I agree. The best thing that could have happened was the minimized role of Welker produced two or three new offensive weapons for Brady. To some extent it did. Lloyd over the last month was a product of the growing pains early in the season.

    My guess was that the Pats figured they had a soft schedule early and they could work on a few things and not burn out Welker for the playoffs. I can't see Belichick franchising Welker and then benching him for more than maybe a series or a quarter for petty reason.

    Belichick is pretty emotionless when it comes to personnel decisions that are best for this team. That means when he lacks sentimentality when he trades away Seymour or cuts Milloy, he is unlikely to let a grudge play into his football decisions.
  28. Deus Irae

    Deus Irae PatsFans.com Retired Jersey Club PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2006
    Messages:
    40,774
    Likes Received:
    64
    Ratings:
    +89 / 3 / -1

    Disable Jersey

    Since I've I never made any comment about the "why" in the thread, I'll just say that I'm not following the red herring this morning. There's a simple reality:

    The Patriots were admittedly, consciously, purposefully and deliberately scaling back Welker's role in the offense.
  29. Shockt327

    Shockt327 Rookie

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2008
    Messages:
    988
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    Once again, where is your link?
  30. Deus Irae

    Deus Irae PatsFans.com Retired Jersey Club PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2006
    Messages:
    40,774
    Likes Received:
    64
    Ratings:
    +89 / 3 / -1

    Disable Jersey

    This is the second time I've told you that it's in the early Welker threads. In this thread, you've now got Bedard telling you it was going on, so you've got a media link. If that's not enough, you can feel free to use either the site's search function or Google. My post noting it should be PM'd was to back the notion that the action happening was, in fact, pointed out by the media and not just the creation of a few people on a message board, because some here were still erroneously claiming that it didn't happen. It was not a desire to re-fight a battle already won and long since made irrelevant by circumstances.
    Last edited: Jan 13, 2013
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page