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    These mediots can say what that want, but there were four turnovers last night.. if a team commits four turnovers in a game they seldom win.
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    This is what I thought about the Giants last year before the Superbowl when we lost in the regular season primarily due to a negative turnover margin. I thought no way would we do that again in the Superbowl and then the intentional grounding safety and interception came in the big game.

    This time I'm not going to say it's unlikely for us to be in this situation again because it can.

    So I just hope we are even better prepared for an even bigger comeback if necessary and we find ourselves in a similar ugly game next time around, even with a negative turnover differential. We were still in a position last night to put the game away. Even after the huge return. We could have kept them to 3. Even after they scored the touchdown, we could have played that last drive better.

    I hope this comeback just gives them enough confidence, that yes it can be done, no matter what. Don't stop fighting.
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    Good point--Oh, and Talib did turn around to locate the ball. Turning around slowed him down though, and when he realized the ball was on its way, he sped up.
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    Trial by fire, its games like last night's that test a team's composure. This Patriots team is toughening up.
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    but the 49ers didn't score off all of them.
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    That means the turnovers didn't hurt them that much.....The patriots at the rate they were going would have just punted.
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    The Patriots were driving down the field pretty good in the 3rd quarter before Ridley fumbled it. The score was 17-3 at the time.

    I believe the 49ers scored off that one. It was easily a 14 point swing.
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    What?

    Every turnover represents foregone minutes of possession, regardless of whether the opposing team scores!

    If you asked any NFL coach if he would like to have extra minutes of possession in the game, what do you think his answer would be?

    Such foolishness. :bricks: :rolleyes:
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    Correct, but the 49ers had their share of drops, fumbles and an INT - I think the wet weather played a role. In the 49ers case they recovered their fumbles and the Patriots did not. Bad luck happens.

    The more important factor for me was to minimize the injury report. If I have my choice between a bye and good health, I would prefer to have key players healthy.

    The added benefit is that the Patriots scored 28 unanswered points against one of the best defenses in the league - and showed toughness when in a hole that deep. Perhaps the 49ers defense shifted with that much of a lead but it still looked like a tough D to me.

    That counts for a lot going into the playoffs - and the loss will increase the fire in the belly that much more more the playoffs, ensuring that weaknesses are not overlooked as they sometimes are following a win.

    All of these things will serve the team better in the playoffs, perhaps even better than a close win would have
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    This is a serious question. You'll likely take offense, but none is intended:

    Do you know anything at all about football, or are you brand new to watching it/learning about it?
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    The patriots only scored 3 points in the first half!

    If this was a high scoring game for all 4 quarters i would agree that it hurt cost them the game.

    The brady interception ended in no points.....The defense let an old randy moss go over the top and made Kaepernick look like a 6 year vet.

    The defense was suppose to be improved. The patriots special teams and defense cost them the game.
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    Ok, your post would seem to say "Yes, I'm brand new to the game of football, and I have no idea what's going on during the games". In the interest of being sure, though, I'll ask again:

    This is a serious question. You'll likely take offense, but none is intended:

    Do you know anything at all about football, or are you brand new to watching it/learning about it?
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    I think that's the point, though - how often do the Patriots commit four turnovers?
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    Re: Bedard:This loss could pay off for Patriots

    Colin Kaepernick 14/25 216 yards and 4 touchdowns. That's all you need to know, unless you're ******* prophet and predicted he would throw 4 touchdowns.

    The patriots nullified the turnovers when they tied it up only for the defense to give it right up. There was still time for the patriots to win that game if the defense held and bill didn't go for it on 4th and 2.


    ps i don't respond to ignorant ******* questions:rocker:
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    Re: Bedard:This loss could pay off for Patriots

    ...you do realize that the Patriots offense didn't score any points off of those turnovers, correct? :eek:
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    Re: Bedard:This loss could pay off for Patriots

    Well, turnovers give up valuable field position, minutes of rest for the defense, and more cracks at a TD with the offense is always a good thing. Turnovers, even if they don't end in a score are a big deal.
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    Re: Bedard:This loss could pay off for Patriots

    what?:rolleyes:
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    Re: Bedard:This loss could pay off for Patriots

    I usually like Bedard but completely disagree with the entire premise of that column. I wrote in another thread, the Niners had eight posessions that started in Pats territory, two inside the twenty and four inside the thiry. Maybe some 'bend-don't-break' defense--where they hold the Niners to a FG--would have been nice, but then again they did get a fumble recover and an INT when it looked like points would be scored. And I personally think the Talib PI was a real bad call that would have resulted in a punt but that's another story.

    Starting field position ruled this game...the Niners average field position to start drives was their own 47 yard line, and were basically gifted free points when they started drives at the Patriots 5, 34, 3, 27 and 12 yard lines--all but one of those is a chipshot field goal and the longest would be a 51-yarder (i.e. they had five posessions where a FG was the downside of that posession so the fact that San Fran came away with just 17 points on those drives is impressive to me, and had the ball bounced a little different it could have been as few as 10 points (the Kapaernick fumble that resulted in a SF touchdown). Fact is, the Niners had six fumbles in the game and lost just one of them, that's just crap luck any way you slice it.

    The Pats D had some protection issues but that'll happen against the spread. I thought given the circumstances--tons of turnovers, deal with a short field over and over again, not getting bounces--they actually played pretty well.
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    Re: Bedard:This loss could pay off for Patriots

    First, the 49ers did score as a result of Patriots turnovers.

    Second, the Ridley fumble and Welker INT were both on first down, meaning the defenses had just come off the field and hadn't had time to rest yet. It also means that the offense never got a chance to get going.

    Third, every turnover that happens on a play other than 4th down, or the last play of the game, is one less chance the offense has to make a play, rest the defense, burn the clock, etc....

    So, while you called my question ignorant, you don't seem to know much about the game of football, and I'll take that into account when reading your posts, and responding to you, in the future.
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    Re: Bedard:This loss could pay off for Patriots

    OMG :rofl:

    The patriots made it a new game when they tied the game up. The game wasn't over when the patriots were down 28 because there was still freaking time.

    31-31 made it a new game with more than 5 minutes to go. The patriots did overcome the turnovers :eek:

    Special teams and the defense With the GAME on the line cot them the win.
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    I don't have a problem that they lost last night ... we're a young team and they learned a lesson from the vets on the team. With Gronk in the game we're not even having this discussion ... we can take them and given the chance we will.
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    Re: Bedard:This loss could pay off for Patriots

    The fact that the Patriots were able to tie the score does not mean that the turnovers didn't hurt them (which was your claim), and end of a game is a function of all that went on before it. Your inability to grasp that is a problem of your cognitive functions, not a problem of others. You can't seem to process what's happening, either because you are new to the game (in which case, you could ask questions of more veteran people) or because you just can't grasp the game (in which case, further discussions with you will tend to be fruitless).
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    Hopefully someone teaches our offense how to handle the ball in inclement weather conditions between now and the playoffs.
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    Re: Bedard:This loss could pay off for Patriots

    Curiously, the Bedard column makes no mention of special teams...and yet you conveniently insert that in the discussion. They cost the defense 50 yards of field position and basically put the Niners in field goal range before the defense even hit the field. I'm not excusing them for that 'drive' because they gave a quick-strike TD in one play. But they also forced three quick punts on consecutive drives to allow the offense to crawl back into the game...seems you're conveniently forgetting that as well.
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    Re: Bedard:This loss could pay off for Patriots

    The defense played good until that one easy touchdown.

    It felt like once brady tied it the whole team took their foot off the gas.

    "Curiously, the Bedard column makes no mention of special teams...and yet you conveniently insert that in the discussion." Apparently, i watched a game or two hundred :rolleyes:
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