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Bedard: Koppen, Stallworth, and Bulman among vets who could be cut

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    I think Koppen might make the first round and maybe even Stallworth, but I don't see either on the final 53.
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    I think they might get the chance to sign with another team and could be cut tomorrow.
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    Typically the Pats don't have any surprise cuts in the first round of cuts.
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    I'd hold onto Koppen as long as possible so he has less time to get accustomed to potentially the Titans playbook before the game in week 1.
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    Sanders was pretty surprised, though.
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    Koppens not going anywhere. He could be your week one starter at center.
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    If it's a respected vet who is not likely to make the team, that is exactly what BB WILL do; cut them early to give them a chance to catch on with another team.
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    I don't think that's anything close to a certainty. Connolly, Wendell, and McDonald all give you more versatility than Koppen. Wouldn't surprise me at all to see him cut, and in fact I pretty much expect it to happen.
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    I don't get the Koppen stuff. He was coming off of injury at the start of camp, and he showed it. He was tentative and slow in his movements, and he showed a lack of faith in his injured leg. As has been noted by the media, though, he's been improving over the course of camp and the games. It's not as if any of the other potential center candidates have gotten the job done, either. In the past two games, he's been on the field for the team's best drives.
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    I also don't get all the hate towards Stallworth. He's been on the field more (it seems to me) than Gaffney. I'd honestly think that Gaffney would be gone before Stallworth.

    But then, I'm just a fan and not linked into the inner Belichick Sanctum Sanctorum :D
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    Hypothetically, If one players job was safe and two others were very close for the last spot, wouldn't the players fighting for a spot see more action?
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    I don't think anybody's slamming Koppen particularly, it's simply a numbers game -- IF Waters returns. One of these players presumably has to go:

    Connolly
    Koppen
    McDonald
    Thomas
    Wendell

    Connolly is experienced and reliable at multiple positions, and given the structure of his contract would cost as much to cut as to keep. Wendell is undersized but keeps improving year to year and is probably a better pure center than Connolly. Both McDonald and Thomas are young, athletic, dirt cheap, and zipping up the learning curve after starting out extremely raw.

    Koppen is a savvy veteran who manages the line calls, snaps beautifully, and has a great rapport with Brady. But he's also about to turn 33, is coming off a major injury, was a bit undersized and underpowered even in his prime, and cutting him would save $1 million+ off the cap. Put it all together and he's far from a lock.
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    Agreed. Seems to me four the five you listed are trending up, while one is trending down and has been for some time now. I liked Koppen very much during his prime but I'm skeptical, given an increasing inability to handle the power rush, that his trajectory will change much, particularly coming off injury.
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    I'm not calling him a lock, although I don't think he'll get cut in round one. I'm just talking about the way people here are being rather quick to think he's gone. Even though he's had his issues, he's probably been the team's best center in the last two exhibition games.
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    I don't know how you came to that conclusion but it's simply not true.
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    I came to that conclusion by watching the game, assessing the play of the centers, watching the way the players were used by the coaching staff, watching the results, and then following all that up by reading the writings of others to see if it lined up with what I saw.

    As for it not being true, your opinion is noted.
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    I think this could be one of the odd cases where he's either the day 1 starter, or he's gone. IF Koppen clearly beats out all comers at the center position that great, he's the man. If not, though, he's neither versatile nor economical as a backup.
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    Exactly.

    Players who've had a strong camp would see less time than players on the bubble.
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    I've oscilated about Stallworth. Now I think we keep him. Dump the phony ST and coverage un-linebackers.
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    BB said after the Tampa age there's been no explosive plays in the passing game. Isn't that what Stallworth was supposed to bring?
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    I liked his observation that Koppen won't be going anywhere if Waters is expected back.

    Koppen is playing better though. This makes me think he is just recovering his game and could be what he was last year. If true, how do you just dump a starter? Wouldn't it make more sense to rotate Connolly with Mankins and Waters? And besides, somebody gotta get hurt and need that break. If we're going the full 19 games then I would think this depth is a good idea. I also think rotating Koppen out for particular matchups would be a good idea.

    I see win-win if Koppen is getting back to form.
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    But Stallworth was making deep catches with Mallett. What was Stallworth's YPC? I think BB was talking about TB and the 1st string...
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    I agree. If Waters does not show up, it could be Vollmer, Mankins, Koppen, Connolly and Solder. Even if Waters shows up, depth with Koppen is more experienced. The OL is the toughest call on the team besides WR.
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    I used to think he was hopeless. Not now. If he continues to improve I see some good rotations to keep people fresh. Connolly can still get on the field.
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    The center is the QB, and most important position of the OL. Not only does a center call all the line signals but has to prevent a jail break in the face of the QB.

    Koppen has improved and I don't see him being in the first wave of cuts.
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