Bedard:After Giants game, Haynesworth had to go

[RIpats88]

its simple, if you want to build a good team sometimes you have to take risks....sometimes it works out and you look like a genius(Randy Moss, Corey Dillon) other times it doesnt.

in the grand scheme of things the acquisition of Haynesworth was a small risk...what did we give up? a 5th rounder and 1.5million base salary? you hope he could buy into the system and be motivated...but sometimes a tiger cant change its stripes..haynesworth was a lazy SOB and a malcontent so Belichick cut him.

no one can say bill just lives with his mistakes to save face....same thing with Bodden..anyone notice what team signed him? oh right..no other team did. obviously other NFL GM's see something we dont

Talent is worthless if you dont give the effort to back it up.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

I'm not thrilled about most of Bill's player moves this season, Waters excepted. However those bandwagon fans jumping off because of AH's dismissal are shortsighted to say the very least. BB took a low risk (pick & cap) flyer on a guy with strong football physicals. Once Brace & Deaderick came off PUP there needed to be some cuts along the DL. He cut a guy who was observably (read Bedard) not trying on numerous plays. Lack of effort demoralizes hard working team mates, so FA was the one to go. Good management needs to have a portfolio of low risk potential high reward moves. This one didn't work out.

 

[Deus Irae]

I'm not thrilled about most of Bill's player moves this season, Waters excepted. However those bandwagon fans jumping off because of AH's dismissal are shortsighted to say the very least. BB took a low risk (pick & cap) flyer on a guy with strong football physicals. Once Brace & Deaderick came off PUP there needed to be some cuts along the DL. He cut a guy who was observably (read Bedard) not trying on numerous plays. Lack of effort demoralizes hard working team mates, so FA was the one to go. Good management needs to have a portfolio of low risk potential high reward moves. This one didn't work out.

Can't buy it.....

When you screw up time and again, you no longer have the luxury of "This one didn't work out." When it comes to defensive personnel, Belichick's been pissing down his leg since at least the end of 2008, if not before (depending upon whether you start with the 2008 draft, or the breaking up of the band at the end of the season). At this point, there are no more "fliers".

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Can't buy it.....

When you screw up time and again, you no longer have the luxury of "This one didn't work out." When it comes to defensive personnel, Belichick's been pissing down his leg since at least the end of 2008, if not before (depending upon whether you start with the 2008 draft, or the breaking up of the band at the end of the season). At this point, there are no more "fliers".

No sale here

With SO many examples of rationally debatable decisions by the GM, going ballistic over the AH move is the wrong target.

 

[Deus Irae]

No sale here

With SO many examples of rationally debatable decisions by the GM, going ballistic over the AH move is the wrong target.

Actually, it's a perfect target, because Haynesworth is precisely the sort of player that runs opposite to what the GM normally looks for in a player, and that was the knock on the guy before he ever got to New England.

 

[JackBauer]

Actually, it's a perfect target, because Haynesworth is precisely the sort of player that runs opposite to what the GM normally looks for in a player, and that was the knock on the guy before he ever got to New England.

I hope he learned his lesson on this one. More Carter, less Haynesworth, please.

 

[RIpats88]

Actually, it's a perfect target, because Haynesworth is precisely the sort of player that runs opposite to what the GM normally looks for in a player, and that was the knock on the guy before he ever got to New England.

we got him for practically nothing and gave him a performance based contract...it was a low risk high reward....you obviously dont fill your whole roster with those type of players. but theres nothing wrong on taking a flyer on one or two and hoping they pan out.

Randy Moss didnt look like the sort of player with the character a GM normally looks for..but it worked out.

if he was successful here, Belichick looks like a genius..in the grand scheme of things his cut doesnt affect our defense at all.

letting go of James sanders = mistake....letting go of Haynesworth? fans are looking too hard to criticize belichick

 

[Deus Irae]

we got him for practically nothing and gave him a performance based contract...it was a low risk high reward....you obviously dont fill your whole roster with those type of players. but theres nothing wrong on taking a flyer on one or two and hoping they pan out.

Randy Moss didnt look like the sort of player with the character a GM normally looks for..but it worked out.

if he was successful here, Belichick looks like a genius..in the grand scheme of things his cut doesnt affect our defense at all.

letting go of James sanders = mistake....letting go of Haynesworth? fans are looking too hard to criticize belichick

Moss loved the game. The knock on Haynesworth was that he didn't. The Belichick mantra:

Faith
Family
Football


When you take fliers from a position of strength, you get a pass, because you're in a position to survive the failure. When you make moves like this when you're not in a strong position, you get crushed when they fail. That's the way it is, and that's the way it should be.

 

[RIpats88]

When you take fliers from a position of strength, you get a pass, because you're in a position to survive the failure. When you make moves like this when you're not in a strong position, you get crushed when they fail. That's the way it is, and that's the way it should be.

im not sure how our D-line isnt in a strong position....we're 5 deep there. cutting an un-motivated Haynesworth doesnt affect it one bit

lets not act like the guy was playing starters snaps and having a big effect on the outcomes of games

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Moss loved the game. The knock on Haynesworth was that he didn't. The Belichick mantra:

Faith
Family
Football


When you take fliers from a position of strength, you get a pass, because you're in a position to survive the failure. When you make moves like this when you're not in a strong position, you get crushed when they fail. That's the way it is, and that's the way it should be.

But who says Randy truly loved the game. Randy loved winning. Randy loved being the center of attention and being paid accordingly. Randy was a smart guy in some respects with a high football IQ and freakish athletic ability. But he was also a tragically flawed man with a fragile psyche and an ego that required consistent stroking. And he had virtually no stomach for dealing with adversity.

 

[Deus Irae]

im not sure how our D-line isnt in a strong position....we're 5 deep there. cutting an un-motivated Haynesworth doesnt affect it one bit

lets not act like the guy was playing starters snaps and having a big effect on the outcomes of games

Well, first off, D-line is the least problematic of the 3 levels, but that's not the same as being "strong". However, I was talking about defensive personnel choices in general.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Actually, it's a perfect target, because Haynesworth is precisely the sort of player that runs opposite to what the GM normally looks for in a player, and that was the knock on the guy before he ever got to New England.

Precisely the reason it was a risky move.

Here as you state yes Bill went more strongly against type than even the Moss project where some pundits (incorrectly) said he'd lost the desire to play football. Yet there are hundreds of posts here making the case that BB needs to change his approach for various reasons. With AH he went against his template, but when he does that he's also damned.

 

[Deus Irae]

Precisely the reason it was a risky move.

Here as you state yes Bill went more strongly against type than even the Moss project where some pundits (incorrectly) said he'd lost the desire to play football. Yet there are hundreds of posts here making the case that BB needs to change his approach for various reasons. With AH he went against his template, but when he does that he's also damned.

Changing your approach doesn't have to mean signing Albert Haynesworth and compromising what was supposedly a core principle in the process, so you're really tossing out a red herring here.

Here are some ways to change his approach that don't involve taking on the problem child that was/is Haynesworth:

Stop cutting/trading veterans, especially at the last minute, when you don't know for certain that you've got an adequate replacement already on the roster.

Trade up to get INTO the first round with some of the lower round picks, instead of trading down in, or out of, the first round.

Address areas of genuine need in the draft rather than doing things like spending 3rd round picks on quarterbacks.


That's just 3 easy examples.