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Becoming Better Than The Colts In 2010

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  1. mgteich

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    After again watching the colts, I am now convinced that almost our total need is to find playmakers on defense.

    COMPARING THE OFFENSES
    1) The colts are in no way a running team. Their running backs and running game are no better than ours.
    2) Were Collie and Garcon great? Naah! They were better coached. The playcalling and the communication between OC, QB and the receivers is really a level above anything we have. I have no doubt that the colts and their OC would have done fine plugging in Edelman, Aiken, Galloway or Lewis or Nunn for that matter.

    COMPARING THE DEFENSES
    There are no words.
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    PREPARING FOR 2010
    We need to re-sign Mankins and we need OG to replace Neal, and perhaps a second offensive lineman. We need to bring in 2-3 WR's in free agency and perhaps in the 6th or the 7th. And we need a TE and pehaps a FB in free agency. This isn't a major use of resources.

    The rest needs to go to the defense.
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    If we want to be better than the Colts in 2010 then we need to learn how to win the kind of games we lost this season - 2nd half collapses against Denver, Indy, Miami and Houston, and total blowouts to NO and Baltimore in which we just didn't bring the necessary intensity and focus.

    How well our personnel stack up in comparison is a minor issue. Indy's learned to win, and we've forgotten how. Fix that, and we'll be better than the Colts in 2010.
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    I agree. And I think that the first step is to bring in better coaches.

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    Has O'Brien been fired yet?
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    This is where the Colts lead the Patriots by a mile. They have a staff
    of coaches that have been around for a long while. Peyton Manning
    has not had to struggle thru changing coordinators.

    The Patriots by comparison have a former coaching assistants teaching
    the wide receivers and defensive backs.
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    We also have a coaching assistent as QB coach and acting OC.

    It would do us well to note that Indy was predicted to be a playoff team on the downtrun this year because it looked as if they were losing key coaches, including the OC. Manning warned ownership of the potential consequences. The ownership retained their coordinators and the rest is history.

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    Get better qb protection. Get better pass rush. Pretty simple.
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    Yea that's what I saw, PM had all day to pass,,
    Their defense shut the run down also. Their speed defeats power.

    By comparison to the Raven games, we fall far short.

    How do we fix the O and D?
    I can see the coaching helping both, but think the O needs more personnel upgrades.
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    I agree and I think intensity and focus is something coaches should be helping with. To that end I would like to see:

    1.) Pepper Johnson promoted to DC. He has a decade in the system, he better know it by now. He brings intensity and fire. As a former player he knows how to hold players accountable.

    2.) Dick Jauron brought on staff. Tons of experience and a great teacher.

    3.) A dedicated D Line coach, ILB coach and OLB coach hired and assigned to those work exclusively with those positions. Including running their own meetings and film review sessions. They should all be experienced coaches that know how to teach.

    I think if this is done properly,without threatening BB's fragile control freak nature, we should be the best we can be as far as a defensive coaching staff.
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    Yep, Ochmed, I think that's going to happen. Pepper has earned the right to be DC. And the first play of the Ravens game shows intensity was missing.

    The only other person who interests me would be Iowa's excellent DC, Norm Parker, but he's old and seems destined to stick it out at the college level.
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    I like the Jauron idea. I've suggested him as a good short-term DC candidate (2-3 years) to bring experience and stability as well as a ton of ideas and teaching, while grooming Pepper Johnson or Mike Patricia to eventually take over as DC. If one of those guys is promoted, then I'd like to see Jauron brought in as a senior "consultant" to work with them, given his experience, knowledge and intelligence. I'd love to see Willie McGinest come on board as OLB coach to help develop some young pass rushers (especially if we target guys like Carlos Dunlap, Jason Pierre-Paul, Greg Hardy or Austen Lane), though I suspect he's not interested in coaching given the hours and poor pay. And I'd love to see Seau coach our ILBs, though again I doubt he's interested.
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    The first thing is Tom Brady needs to get back to the same stratosphere as Peyton Manning in terms of awareness and accuracy (especially down field accuracy).

    The second thing is a need for defensive playmakers, the Colts have Freeney and Mathis, but also several linebackers such as Brackett and Sessions who seem to make plays when needed.

    The third thing is developing/drafting more playmakers on offense: Wayne, Clark, Garcon, Collie, Addai, Donald Brown (not a big year but first round pedigree). The Colts had enough on offense to get by without former first round pick Anthony Gonzalez. At least part of this is due to no.1 above in that Manning was simply a level (or several levels) above Tom Brady this season.


    The fourth thing is a need to get good production (especially defensively) from late round pick/fa's ex: Jacob Lacy and Jerraud Powers at CB.

    I was one who thought the Colts were on the decline going in to 2009-2010, but their ability to draft well and have younger roster players step up really is impressive.

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