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    Breaking down Beason's performance... he played in 18 games over the past 2 seasons vs. non-cellar dwelling BCS conference opponents. In those 18 games, he registered 0 forced fumbles, 0 passes broken up, 1.5 sacks, 1 interception, 12.5 stuffs and 83 conventional tackles. That production is paltry compared to other top LB prospects vs similar competition. His size is on the low end, his athleticism good but not great (32'' vertical, 4.72 combine 40). So he has neither great production, nor great measurables. What's the big deal?
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    Pats smokescreen hoping that the Bills will think that there is something special there and select him instead of Willis. Just a guess.
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    Where did you get Beason's vertical numbers? He didn't do that at the Combine because he hurt his knee.

    Also, since you claim that Beason's production is paltry in comparison to other LBs, could you please show us the comparisons you used citing the quality of opponents that players such as Posluszny and Willis played against.
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    I like beason but in no way am I going to go balls out to defend him, what I gather is he is a hit machine, a true head knocker, young and full of potential.
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    um im pretty sure he ran a 4.62 and a 32.5 verticle

    and he wasnt healthy..had a tweaked ACL

    Beason has above average athletism..hes very quick which is better than striaght line speed for a player. He hits hard and he actually has better stats

    38 games played: 182 tackles. 20 for loss, 2 sacks

    stats are hard to find for defensive players in college
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    Here is my list of first day ILB candidates for the Patriots.

    1. Willis - he's the best and will have no trouble starting and playing well in the Patriots 3-4

    2a. Beason-just not as good as Willis
    2b. Harris- neck and neck with Beason
    3. Pos- could be better than the other 2 but may be a guy without a postion
    4.Bradley- like Pos but not a talented
    5. Deossie- only at #91, if no one better for us is there.

    Siler is off my list.
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    And, interestingly, Deossie is off my list as an ILB. As an OLB I'd take him but whereas I like Siler, I can't see the finesse, non physical Deossie fighting off blocks inside for us.
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    He would be worth a pick because of versiltility and his ability to learn. But, certainly not a high pick. Maybe not until the 4th round.
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    Big 10 and SEC quite a bit better than the ACC this year. Wake Forest won the ACC for god's sake. Not sure who'll make the better pro. But, Poz and Willis played against tougher competition. If we're going to take a lb from the ACC in Rd. 1, I'd take Timmons from Fla. St. I think he's more suited for the 4-3 though. If we take an olb in Rd. 1. I'd take A.Spencer from Purdue. He's going to be a very good edge pass-rusher. And, eventually be able to replace Colvin.
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    I got the numbers at nfl.com. Willis played in 15 games vs. non-cellar dwelling BCS conference opponents over the last 2 years. In those games he registered 2 forced fumbles, 5 sacks, 9 passes broken up, 9 stuffs and 140 conventional tackles. David Harris played in 18 such games. He registered 2 Forced fumbles, 1 interception, 2.5 sacks,13.5 stuffs, 1 PBU and 116 tackles. The much maligned Rufus Alexander, who has similar measurables to Beason (although Alexander had a better vertical jump and bench press) and is roughly the same size (Beason measured in at the Miami pro day at 229 lbs), played 20 such games and had 5 forced fumbles, 1 INT, 5.5 sacks, 8.5 stuffs, 9 passes broken up and 130 tackles. As far as Beason running a "better" 40 time at his pro-day, players almost always run .1 better at their pro day. The surroundings are comfortable, they are used to the track, and the track may even be slightly downhill as it has been discovered to be at several college campuses. A good rule of thumb is to add .1 to pro day 40s. In this case that jives with Beason's combine time of 4.72.
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    That is why the numbers I mentioned are over a 2 year span. If you remember, the Big 10 was supposedly down in '05 with Michigan doing a belly flop. The great SEC had it champion blown out by West Virginia in a bowl game and Wisconsin destroyed Auburn in the bowl. The ACC last year had more players drafted and more 1st rdrs than any other conference. The talent pool is pretty even. I consider Florida's trouncing of Ohio State a fluke, not the proof of SEC supremacy that some claim.
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    I was just talking about last year. But, Big 10 was better in 05 too. OSU was loaded; Hawk,Carpenter,Whitner, etc. PSU had an outstanding team.
    I think FSU won the ACC with about 4 losses. I know they gave PSU a tough game in The Orange Bowl. But, PSU had the ball on the goal line late with a lead and the C made a bad snap or they would have won in regulation. Also,
    Poz got hurt in that game. Plus, starting RB T.Hunt got hurt very early in that game.
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    Where would Beason play for us?? After watching more film on him, there's no chance this guy can play 3-4 OLB.
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    First of all. He ran a 4.64 at Combine and a 4.62 at Pro Day

    and he would play inside
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    What's so great about him? At best he'd be a 4-3 ILB.

    His strength numbers from the combine weren't that good either.

    IxNay on him.
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    MY LB's

    Willis
    Beason
    Siler
    POz
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    um watch him play and you'll see
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    Thanks for clearing that up, but I'm still skeptical of him playing that position as well. He's a friggin tank, no doubt about that, but I wonder if all that bulk would get tied up in blocks.
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    Maybe he could play safety. I think he'd just get buried at ILB in a 3-4. As soon as a 300 pound guard touches him, game over. Hard to give up 70 pounds.
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    college players bulk up. Bruschi is 240ish..Beason is 237
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    Belichiick liked Vilma who was, and is, lighter than Beason. Crennel's team drafted D'Quell Jackson who was, and is, lighter than Beason. mcbee says it's hard to give up 70 pounds - well it's tough to give up 50 or 60 too.
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    This is just BS. There are plenty of players who DON'T run better than at the Combine. And your rule of thumb is bunk as well. You have to take into consideration the type of surface they were running on. Were they running on grass or were they running on some kind of turf.
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    Now a warning sign on Beason is that on March 3rd, he weighed in at only 229. That is 8 lbs lighter than the combine. That isn't a good thing. Part of the reason is his knee injury, I'm sure, but its not good for a guy looking to be an ILB.
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    Jackson was 227ish and he got 93 tackles :\
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    Those darned Browns, who knew they'd steal this kid and ride him to the playoffs?
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    love sarcasm but hey..go back and look through year old posts and you'll see that i was very high on D'Qwell

    and im gonna bring this backup for the 3000th time

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    Jackson wasn't playing in the Pats 3-4 defense, was he?
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    I'm sure you were one of several who liked Jackson, and if I was a fan of a 4-3 team I'd have liked him a great deal. The question I wish to ask all who point to the stories of Vilma and Sims, where are they now? Is it just coincidence they got drafted by someone else?

    And while we are asking these questions, where are the people advocating for the 260 lb. OGs?
    Can anyone even tell me who was the smallest OL invited to the Combine?
    How about who was the smallest ILB invited to the Combine?
    What percentage of ILBs invited were under 240? Under 235?
    Is there a reason the OLBs BB has on roster are all converted defensive ends? Name me the last Patriot ILB in the Belichick era who weighed in under 245 and was a fan favorite?

    People keep telling me these smaller linebackers will get the job done, perhaps they will, but until BB drafts them I'm left wondering what makes them such a fine fit for the NE 3-4? But on behalf of those who harangued me about TBC giving up all the running yards last season, here's a report on the two teams who play the NE 3-4 and have those two popular small ILBs:
    - Cleveland 4th to last in rushing defense, tied for 3rd to last in runs over 20 yds.
    - NY Jets 9th to last in rushing defense, they only gave up 6 runs over 20 yds.
    I was told I didn't know what I was talking about when I said TBC didn't give up the extra yardage alone in a vacuum, so Jackson and Vilma must be the reason these 3-4's sucked against the run. And even if they weren't Jackson's 93 TT and Vilma's 113 TT weren't made that close to the line of scrimmage, on average.
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    I am highly suspicious of proday times that are significantly improved over combine times. There is ample justification for my suspicion. Whether you choose to be suspicious depends on your own judgment and research. I have no idea how much of either you possess.
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