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  1. Jacky Roberts

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    Boston College coach Tom O'Brien left for NC State today. Rumors over there that since Bob Kraft is on BC's Board of Directors that he will push for Dan Pees to be a candidate for the job. Have to think this would be a disaster for the Patriots.
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    I assume you mean Dean Pees. (I'm not being facetious, just checking he hasn't got a son or nephew called Dan).

    But maybe that would open a coordinator role up for the soon-to-be-former-head coach of the Cleveland Browns?
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    Or Crennel becomes BC's head coach
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    Good point.
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    Or until Belichick goes to Kraft and says dont do it because three defensive coordinators in three years isn't good. Push for somebody else (although I do like the idea of Crennel coming back).
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    or Coughlin comes back

    rumors aside, I don't see what would be so enticing for Dean Pees at BC...he has already done his time at the college level as a HC (yes--Kent State, but still HC), and his career reads as someone aspiring to an NFL HC position if anything...
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    The Browns' win last week was pretty big for Crennel getting another year, I think. One more win should do it for him.

    I certainly hope Pees doesn't leave.
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    Can't really imagine Dean Pees really wanting the BC job, actually.

    Do a good job as the Pats DC, and in a couple years, you'll get a head coaching job in the NFL.

    BC doesn't have Notre Dame's tradition and spotlight, and it's hardly a football powerhouse.

    I just don't see the appeal, when he could just wait a few years and probably be on the short-list to take over for, say, Couglin w/ the Giants.
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    The parallels between Crennel leaving the Pats to go coach the Browns, only to return to be Belichick's DC a few years later, and BB returning to DC for Parcells after going to coach the Browns for a while would be really weird.
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    Wow, O'Brien was adament yesterday that he's not a candidate for any job and his only concern is getting BC ready for the Meineke Car Care Bowl.
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    So the speculation is that Kraft would push for BC to steal his own defensive coordinator? :confused:

    This would only make sense if you assumed that Pees was eager to leave and return to the college ranks and basically had one foot out the door already. That would be a huge surprise...as others have noted, Pees seems to be setting himself up for an NFL career with hopes of a HC position down the road.
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    Where are they going to move the Browns to this time? Hollywood?
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    I disagree about BC's reputation. They play in the ACC and gets a lot of National TV games. Coughlin was a BC coach once and used that job as a springboard for an NFL job. I'd think Pees would be crazy not to look into that job since it would mean he gets to stay local, too.
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    BC unfortunately is not the "top dog" in Boston, and as such gets no media attention. Down South schools that rarely field teams as good as BC such as Clemson, South Carolina, etc. are the only football teams in those towns and are big business. No way that BC could ever get someone like a Spurrier to come to Chesnut Hill (South Carolina got him a membership at Augusta National (Hooty Johnson is a SC alumni, that is how they got Spurrier)) But even so, South Carolina has a stadium in Colombia (about the size of Brockton), SC that is big time. Being the HC at one of these schools, you pay for nothing, meanwhile the Head Coach at BC would be lucky if the guy at Dunkin Doughnuts gives him a free cup of joe.
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    Pees is from Ohio. BC ain't local. As far as using it as a 'springboard', Pees has spent six years as a college HC already, and in now in his 34th year of coaching. Last September he celebrated his 58th birthday, so if he's got ambitions as an NFL head coach, he better get crackin'.

    None of this, along with the idea of the Patriots owner lobbying to hand his own DC over the BC after losing two in the previous two years, adds up at all.
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    Where are these rumours originating? Any link? Because this just sounds like someone's idea of stit-shirring.

    Regardless of what Pees may or may not feel about the possibility of stepping down as a professional DC to become a college coach, how would this be in Kraft's interest at all? To weaken his own product? Does Pees have any connections at all to BC? Without that, how would he help recruitment or fund-raising for the school? This isn't Charlie Weis here, returning to his alma mater (Notre Dame '78) to restore its former glory. Pees went to Bowling Green, and was the head coach for Kent State, after tenures at Michigan State and ND. He is clearly a Midwest guy...

    Honestly, this "rumour" sounds completely lacking in substance.
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    >BC doesn't have Notre Dame's tradition and spotlight, and it's hardly a football powerhouse.

    And, as we were told ad nauseum when BC's less than stellar bowl bid was announced, its fans don't travel well.
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    Well I for one am hoping O'Brien does a great job at NC State. BC can find a new head coach elsewhere - and I don't imagine it likely it will be from the Pats staff.
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    The story was first broken yesterday a.m. by the Morning Mojo sports radio show on 620 AM here in Raleigh. Sportcenter on ESPN and the Boston Globe web site has it today. Sorry for the BC fans, but it's true.

    Here's the AP story in the Raleigh News and Observer:

    http://www.newsobserver.com/753/story/518756.html
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    I wasn't disputing the truth of the O'Brien to NC State move, but the the original poster's claim that Pees would be encouraged go to BC.
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    I think he was talking about the rumor of Dean Peas going to BC, everyone knows about O'Brien by now.
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    Oh. My bad. 10 characters
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    This is the best thing that has happened to BC football since Flutie. O'Brien sucks terribly. He gets to all these crappy bowls. He has had years where his team could have gotten into a BCS bowl...like gee this year and it is HIS fault for getting BC sent to crappy bowl games all the time. Good news for BC. We'll see about the Pats..........
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    I think there's no better Patriots fan than Bob Kraft and I can't imagine him doing anything that would harm the team.
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    I think O'Brien is an excellent coach - while he has had a good but not outstanding record at BC (75-45) he has been handicapped in recruiting at BC.

    At NC State he will enjoy:

    1. An admissions policy which is friendlier to student-athletes
    2. A state-of-the-art stadium
    3. A region which many people find to be an outstanding place to live (Raleigh is the fastest growing big or medium size city east of the Mississipi and outside of Florida)
    4. Access to more locally grown high school talent

    I think (and hope) he will achieve the outstanding success which eluded him at BC
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    I think it is a leap of all leaps to think Peas will even get considered for the BC job. I don't think DP is interested, being the DC with the Patriots is a better gig than HC at BC. (that should clear things up)

    I think O'Brien's move (if it is true) will help the Pats. They will get another scout in the south land. O'Brien and BB are close, with all the talent in the south he will be another set of eyes for the Patriots.


    On another note, check out this question from Frank Osborn... Frank if you are on this board, way to go buddy, you nailed this one!

    http://www.patriots.com/search/index.cfm?ac=searchdetail&pid=3393&pcid=41

    I would just like to know the logic behind picking center, Dan Koppen, in the 5th round instead of addressing one of our other needs. In my eyes, the center position is not a big weakness at all for us.
    Frank Osborn
    Harwichport, Mass.

    After losing Grey Ruegamer in free agency, the only other center on the roster was starting left guard Mike Compton so depth there was a priority. Also, Damien Woody is entering the final year of his contract and negotiations on extension have not exactly moved quickly and smoothly. The team has to prepare for Woody to leave in free agency. Bill Belichick has a solid relationship with BC coach Tom O’Brien, which makes me feel confident that he had good information on Koppen. He was a fifth round pick. It’s not like they used a first round pick on a position that wasn’t an immediate need.
    Bryan Morry
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    I wouldn't go quite that far. I think he is a solid coach that for some reason can't keep his team from folding under pressure, like in the Syracuse game 2 years ago, the Wake Forest/Miami games this year, and I think they blew an easy ACC game last year too. He was just good enough to never get fired here. I'm hoping BC can get Mark Whipple, former UMass coach (took them to a 1-AA title), and is now with the Steelers.
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    Also its not his fault BC goes to crappy bowls, the bowls themselves decide who they want to take (as long as the teams in question are within 1 game in the ACC standings). Maryland and Clemson this year both gave guarantees on tickets sold, and Maryland I think promised something else, though I forget what. That's why those teams got picked before us. Oh and I'm insulted you don't consider the Meinekee Car Care Bowl versus Navy as a major, important bowl.
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    Lol...and this is from the same athletic department who, after the original expansion plan by the ACC was shot down, told the Big East that they were committed to helping get the Big East back on its feet. Only then did they enter into a backroom deal with Miami.

    I always liked TOB. I wish him luck at NC St.
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    Re: BC coach leaves. Great news for the BC

    O'Brien was effectively fired. Do you think the BC AD (DeFillipo) gives permission for a fellow ACC team to interview their coach unless the BC powers-to-be preferred that O'Brien find a way out of town? The answer is no. If BC wanted to keep O'Brien, money would not have been the problem. The bottom line is O'Brien rated as no better than C+ game manager, which repeatedly hindered BC over the years against superior coaching staffs. BC will improve if they hire a coach like Mark Whipple (as mentioned by STOKES above).

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