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VERY good news...I never really thought he would NOT be brought back...
yes.... Yes.... YES... Troy Brown is my favorite (current) Pats player... I'd love to see him finish his career in NE... and then, if he has the desire and BB wants him to... move on to coach in the organization!!! This is truly outstanding news!
Needless to say training camp will be very interesting.
If Chad Jackson ends up being PUPed or IRed that makes it easy as we could keep 6 WR as Troy can play defense and Washington is a good ST player.
If Jackson is healthy, it will be a spiritied competition for 5 or maybe 6 spots with one WR not making it. Or there's the outside, teensy weensy, chance they could keep 7 and just keep the competition up all season. Keeping 7 seems unlikely, though doable.
I have a feeling we will be drafting a WR.. Competition will be key..
Am I the only one on edge about the vague way BB couched that stuff? "plans" and a "role?" Couldn't this just as easily be in a non-playing capacity? I hope not, but I think it's possible.
I just said in another Troy Brown thread that they are all just doing the off season it's a business Troy Brown dance circa 2007. Troy says he wants to play, hopes to play here, wants more than a crumb for his services. Bill counters with a we love Troy on this team type statement.
No - BB only plans for the team, not the franchise PR department. And Troy is not going to assistant coach for 80 hours a week $150K per.
If Troy were interested in getting into coaching, he'd likely start out at home at Marshall (where he has done some voluntary work for them in the past). Then maybe when his kids, who are barely grade school age, are heading for college he might look to get into the pro's. He could do that while remaining on the PR payroll in Foxboro, and the Kraft's are on record saying that a job with the organization is his for life already provided he wants it. I imagine he will since that will likely keep him on the spokesman/endorsement radar of team sponsors and adevertisers.
Hmm, keeping 7 does seem like a lot. Like you said, Washington's eagerness to play ST, combined with Troy's ability to fill multiple roles makes keeping 6 WRs no problem.
Stallworth, Welker and Caldwell are locks. Jackson is a lock in the sense that he will either be on the roster or on the PUP/IR depending on the severity of his injury. Brown is seemingly a lock in BB's opinion. That leaves Washington & Gaffney fighting for that 6th spot...Don't particularly want to see either of those guys go, as Gaffney has already proven to be a solid addition and Washington HOPEFULLY will do likewise.
Heck, by BB's standards "plans" and a "role" counts as a detailed statement of purpose!
Seriously, I can't see him saying this if he didn't mean a position on the field. (Although with Troy, ring-making is always a possibility!)
What do expect bb to say?
OK, so we should cut Gaffney so that Brown can be inactive or sit on the bench? No. This dance is similar to two years ago, and the language from all is the same. The difference is that Troy is two years older. I do believe that bb will try (in spite of all business sense) to keep Troy if he wants to stay. But make no mistake, this will cost the patriots either a developmental player or an insurance player. In 2007, if the issue were only winning, I would want Gaffney inactive each week (in case of injury) rather than Brown.
And we've danced this dance before, with Coates, and with so many more.
The bottom line is that it is time to move on at WR, but that Troy could make the team as a STer who can be an emergency DB (or even an emergency WR or PR), much as Izzo is an emergency LB. But do understand that the days of Troy being a go-to receiver (or even part of the regular rotation) are long gone. Brady had Troy available in the playoffs and used him very little. When crunch time came, he chose not to even try for a game winning first down with Troy Brown available. Perhaps my memory is wrong and he was injured, but in any case Troy cannot be counted on to be part of the future at receiver.
And if he wants to coach (as someone said), he will start at the high school or college level.
I knew BB would not let me down!!! :rocker: :rocker: :rocker: :singing:
Then why isn't he signed yet?
I'm a little supicious.
What if Troy starts the season on PUP? That won't cost us anything. Troy can come off PUP after the inevitable WR/DB injuries.
Best strategy yet, all kidding aside
What has happened to the "FAN" in you guys!?? Geez... Can we not have loyalty to ONE guy!?
Is a Bam Childress...or a Gaffney... REALLY going to make that much of a difference in the long run?
Troy is a BETTER "player" then both of those guys (on this team) EVEN NOW.
It is not like we are hanging on to an unproductive Over the hill QB. It's a 5th WR spot!!!
The season ended with Brady trying to get the ball to Troy Brown. Brown is Brady's most comfortable target and was still able to produce 43 catches last season. Brown is, even at this point in his career, a better receiver than Gaffney. He has the two most important qualities that a receiver can have, he can get open, and he catches the ball. I could easily take Brown over Gaffney or Washington, who both have to prove a lot during training camp to even make the team.
If the Pats sign Brown now he is a lock for the opening day roster. It would take Washington and Gaffney having monstrous camps and tearing it up (which they have never done in their careers) for them to overcome Brown.
FINALLY!!!!!! Someone talking some sense!!
Gaffney!!!?? Are you serious!!! Give Browns spot to Gaffney!!! That is absurd to even consider!
Send him off into the sunset totin' his fourth ring, I say.
Believe as you will. With about 3:30 left in the game, we had the ball 3rd and 11. The game was tied. My personal belief is that in the past, Tom Brady, the best clutch QB in the history of football, would have tried to win the game by trying to get a first down. Troy Brown would have been a very likely receiver. This year, Brady ran the ball to set up a field goal (not even trying for a first down). Manning and the colts were given the ball against our defense which had been on the field all day, and were on the sidelines receiving oxygen, and and getting their cramped bodies massaged. It was utterly unbelievable that Brady and Josh expected the defense to come out and hold Manning. Brady's lack of faith (and Josh's) in the offense had never been so low.
The issue is not whether Brown has been a great player for the patriots or not. The issue for this board, as it was when Coates wasn't signed, seems to be how much we like Troy Brown. We have talked so much about how right it is to let a player loose a year before he is not productive. That is, we talk about that AFTER bb makes the decision, since he is always right. Before the fact, our players are always expected to be great in their next year, and we would be horrified if they ddn't stay.
Believe as you wish with regard to Gaffney. My position is that he was critical to us being one first down away from the Super Bowl. But in the end, that isn't the issue. I'm fine with a brand new wide receiver corps, with or without Gaffney. Our wide receiver corps for the future will hopefully be Stallworth, Welker and Jackson, perhaps plus some help from Washington or Caldwell or Gaffney or a from a 2007 draftee or from a 2008 draftee or free agent.
I agree that if Brown is brought into camp, he will have a roster spot. And as I said above, he won't be the 5th WR. He'll be a STer.
Right on, mg. IMO, if Washington shows anything, he's in. If his hammie acts up, it's Gaffney. The battle is for best blocking WR. Both will be better than Caldwell. Stallworth and Jackson should be 1a and 1b. Welker in the slot, Troy and a rookie should fill out the roster. Caldwell's tendency to freeze under pressure won't be overlooked unless someone else shows chinks in their game.
Troy Brown is no longer a WR. He is a football player. They will keep 6 WRs AND they will keep Troy Brown.
Also in another thread, spacecrime projects
signing Troy for the vet min ($830,000) ... giving him both a physical rest and real cash
and the team a break under the sal cap;
putting him on PUP, since he doesn't need the reps but can attend all the meetings;
letting the younger WRs we now flaunt in abundance play the first half of the season ...
and incur their inevitable injuries;
THEN activate Troy for the stretch run and playoffs,
when we might have him pinchhit in the secondary, as well.
Sounds good to me.
Right on Brother. If Brown does not rip the ball out vs. the Chargers the Patriots don't even play the Colts.
So what position(s) will he play?
Every one of them?
Maybe he will try to break a record or something...
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