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  1. Wolfpack

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    I'd say that the BP oil spill is Obama's Katrina, except for the fact that the federal government's ineptness regarding this spill makes the Katrina response look brilliant by comparison.
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    not even comparable
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    I agree. Things were much more organized back then. Here we are over a month in and the government hasn't done a darn thing to solve the problem.
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    President Jug Ears is going on vacation, he's gonna
    "clear brush" in Chicago..
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    I'd say this is dumb, even by your standards.
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    People died during Katrina as a result of the lack of government response. But it's cool that Republicans now think that animals are as important as people so we can get started on solving all the environmental problems leading to species extinctions in a non-partisan way. Right? Right?
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    I'm totally against the lack of movement by the administration on this...I think they are MORE than dropping the ball on this. I'll agree with you there.

    BUsh was eating cake with McCain while people were drowning...houses flooded, and the response was fully botched. They were aware of the sitation with the levees DAYS before, you can actually watch the conference call, Bush shruggs it off.

    This would be like Katrina happening on the Moon with the remoteness of this disater. There are only a handfull of subs that can get there, let alone stop this...so quit with the hyperbole for a second.



    time is running out on patience, the gulf is pretty much destroyed for decades, untold marine and wildlife are now dead...and

    BP is still in charge?


    I do Shame Obama for that.....


    BARACK!.....Step it the fukc UP!
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    Nuke gushing oil wells, not people.
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    For those criticizing Obama, it's incumbent on you to make actual, concrete suggestions on what he could be doing differently.

    The fact is there is nothing Obama or the government can do.
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    As one of your compatriots has suggested...
    What if that is the only option. Last I checked, corporations were not allowed to "Nuke things".

    What about the open defiance WRT the dispersant they are using.

    What about shutting off the live feed when they implement "Top Kill" tomorrow, also against what the government wants.

    There are a number of reasons why the government needs to step in. Not being able to do anything is not an answer, it's an excuse. We need to people to lead, not make excuses or will Obama bow to the oil gusher as well.
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    Oh there's one thing they can do going forward. The next time some babbling idiot screams "Drill baby, DRILL!!" They could tell her to shut the fcuk up.
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    I agree. It's pretty clear that big business can't solve this problem by itself. It's time for a heavy dose of government intervention.
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    NPR just reported that BP had scaled back the use of the toxic dispersant (no number provided) and that the reason that BP is not using less toxic dispersants is because there are no less toxic dispersants available in the quantity required. FWIW.
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    Oh well then, crisis averted...

    Never mind the lesser dispersants are warehoused and not being used for "lack of testing".

    Sorry to sound like an ass, it's just this entire fiasco is making me mental.
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    Bring people from other states with expertise in dealing with the effects of oil spills, Alaska for example.


    Get resources from other companies, Exxon, Gulf, Mobile and so on.


    Respond to request to allow states to protect their shores and marshes. B Jindal has been seeking permission for 3 WEEKS to build sand berms to protect the marshes in the Mississippi delta. NO RESPONSE FROM THE ADMINISTRATION.


    The President who wants to take over the healthcare system, banking system and auto manufacturing, already has the authority to deal with this disaster:

    Mark Levin




    BTW the response to the flooding in places like nashville where there were deaths was a disgrace, noting from his media trolls of course. Perhaps he doesn't consider Tenn, or LA among the 57 states he visited during the campaign.
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    Aren't you a small government guy? A government smaller than today's would be even less prepared to get involved. My head is spinning with how fast you guys have done a 180 (not really, it's just like the "get your government hands off my medicare" guy, but you get the point).
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    As per the administration, this has already been done.

    You're aware that the Army Corps of Engineers is not the Obama administration, are you not?

    Perhaps they actually, truly believe that building giant sandcastles in the path of the oil is not going to accomplish anything.

    Hasn't the government already been doing pretty much what you stipulated?

    But hey, at least you can thank the GOP for blocking efforts to raise BP's liability cap.

    This is a flat-out lie. The government response in Tennessee was very well executed, as the Governor himself attested.
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    I'm concerned about this as well. It's like we're doing a massive science experiment in the Gulf of Mexico and the results could be even more devastating than the spill itself has been or will be so far.

    Just so everyone knows, it took them 10 months to stop the Ixtoc 1 spill in 1979, and that was in 160 feet of water.
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    Well Obama decidedly isn't a small government guy and he is not doing a thing about a problem he is actually supposed to be dealing with.
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    Proof? Have seen nothing



    You appear to not be aware that Barry is Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces notice the ARMY Corp of Engineers is part of the ARMED FORCES.

    Epic Fail Jack.

    Perhaps they actually, truly believe that building giant sandcastles in the path of the oil is not going to accomplish anything.


    I am more interested in fix in the problem than spinning and pointing fingers like you dems.


    This is a flat-out lie. The government response in Tennessee was very well executed, as the Governor himself attested.[/QUOTE]
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    BTW Barry is going to be AWOL on Memorial day. Presidents have traditionally laid a wreath at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier to Honor and pay tribute to our service men and women on behalf of the nation.

    Instead the moron will be vacationing in Chitown. Maybe have a few beers with his pal Bill Ayers. What a chump.


    BTW no answers on the disgraceful job the administration didn't do with respect to the flooding in the Mississippi Valley....
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    Seems to be like this is more disingenuous behavior by the Republicans, given that Reagan, Bush I, and Bush II all did the same thing. (Obama will make a Memorial Day address at ceremony at Abraham Lincoln National Cemetery.)

    Right-wing media attack Obama over Memorial Day plans | Media Matters for America

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    1992: George H.W. Bush allowed VP Quayle to lay wreath. In 1992, Vice President Dan Quayle laid a wreath at the Tomb of the Unknowns at Arlington National Cemetery on Memorial Day, according to a May 26, 1992, Boston Globe article (accessed via the Nexis database). The Globe reported that President George H.W. Bush attended a wreath-laying ceremony and made brief remarks at an American Legion hall in Kennebunkport, Maine, where he also played a round of golf.

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    Bill Clinton went all 8 years to Arlington on Memorial Day and Bush went 7 of 8 years, and the one he missed he went to Normandy instead.

    Meanwhile, in just the 2nd year of the Obama administration, the crackhead in chief is already skipping out so he can take a nice long holiday weekend in Chicago. I am not surprised at his actions or the usual apologists defending him.
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    President Reagan, in 1981, spent all or part of 42 days away from the White House "on vacation" at his home in Santa Barbara, Calif, according to Knoller. President Reagan and his wife, Nancy, also spent three or four days around New Year’s Day each year in Palm Springs, Calif., at the home of philanthropist Walter Annenberg.

    President George W. Bush spent even more time away from the presidential mansion in the nation’s capital than Reagan. Of the 77 total "vacation" trips the former president made to his Texas ranch while in office, nine of them — all or part of 69 days — came during his first year as president in 2001, according to Knoller.

    Bush’s father, President George H.W. Bush, spent less time "on vacation" during his first year than his son, but spent more days than President Obama. According to travel records provided to FactCheck.org by the George Bush Presidential Library and Museum, the former president took six trips — spanning all or part of 40 days — to the Bush family compound in Kennebunkport, Maine, in 1989. The archivist at Bush’s presidential library told us she didn’t have a list of all vacations but did have the Kennebunkport visits.

    President Obama’s Vacation Days | FactCheck.org

    And you're whining because Obama is taking a long weekend and going back home for a few days after 16 months in office and only 26 days "on vacation" during his first year as president.
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    Reagan went to Arlington every year except 1 when he was hosting a summit of Western leaders at Camp David.
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    Say whhattt?

    What was the question and who asked it? And how does someone not do a disgraceful job? Wouldn't that mean they did a good job?
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    They did NO job hence the disgrace.
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    We're not talking about the amount of time spent on vacation. You'll never see me criticizing him for the number of vacation days he takes because the President is working even when he is on vacation (which is why all the Bush-hatred was so pathetic).

    We're talking about the fact that in only his second Memorial Day in office, he has decided he would rather be relaxing in Chicago than honoring our heroes at Arlington National.

    Please do try and keep up, k? I hate to see all your eager research wasted! :rofl: :rofl:
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    Well said.
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    Why is it (for the right, anyway) a problem for him to speak at the ceremony outside Chicago instead of Arlington? Don't those vets, their families and the other people attending those services count?

    This sounds like another disingenuous "patriotism" attack.

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