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Barbara Lee Introduces A Bill To End The War In Afghanistan

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    BARBARA LEE: First, our nation is in grieving, we're all mourning, we're angry; there are a range of emotions taking place. Myself personally, I am also grieving and I believe fully and firmly that the Congress of the United States is the only legislative body that can say, "Let's pause for a moment...and let's look at using some restraint before we rush to action." Because military action can lead to an escalation and spiral out of control. So, why I voted no, was one, the president already has the authority to execute a military action. He doesn't need Congress; under the War Powers Act he has that authority. But Congress is the people's house, and the Congress is responsible for providing checks and balances, and you cannot just allow the administration to run ahead with a strategy without reporting back and without having some oversight.


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    She doesn't understand we're purposely there, like we are in Iraq, for the next 20 years.

    We WANT instability in Afganistan and no strong government or national defense there.

    We want it to be an opium-producing wasteland, which we can go into whenever we need to, since it's strategically valuable close to China, India, Russia, and the Middle East.
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    Why would we want it to be an unstable opium producing wasteland. What's the endgame to that?
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    No end game per se, but having a weak country that can't defend itself right next to China, India, Russia, and the Middle East, is extremely valuable to us considering the energy pipeline geopolitical game, not to mention convenient access for our military should we need to be there in the future.

    If Afganistan became strong militarily and government-wise, they could ally with their neighbors, and that entire region could potentially shut us out as they build pipelines through Afganistan.
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    Broader Strategy: West's Afghan War Targets Russia, China, Iran

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    I'm sure we could negotiate with the Taliban ... we have no problem getting along with the pedo perverts in Saudi Arabia et al.
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    They are 100 years out infrastructure wise. I think we are trying to harness the opium. The opium trade other than destroying American families. Provides and launders money that gets sent to operations like Al Queda. Russia is engaged in talks with Germany over a pipeline between the two countries. I don't believe that Afghanistan is of any consequence to the geopolitical game. Nor do I believe our sole interest there is in keeping our foot in the sand so to speak. It's the opium and the money derived and diluted by it globally. Why would we want that trade to continue unless we were somewhere in control of it.
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    They are entitled to their opinion. We are trying to get ourselves in the middle of the drug trade to ensure it's money distribution. Do they kill two birds with one stone geopolitically being there yes. But it's not the only reason. The drug trade is funding terrorist organizations, they are following the money. They are not using the drug trade as a cover up to spy on China. Why in god's name, China just bought us ought. They could monetize our debt, but hey wont because they'll keep manufacturing cheap goods and we'll do our part by providing a marketplace. Us having a stake in Afghanistan is not getting us a seat at the table with Russia, China and Germany as they forge a looming pipeline deal.
    http://kabul.usembassy.gov/media/afghan_opium_myths_and_facts-final.pdf
    As a side note we both collectively spelled Afghanastan wrong four times, well 5 now.
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    Who gives a sh!t, this friggin Obama a$s hole is just like Bush maybe worse.

    America has it's god damn beautiful sweet talking poster boy (oh aren't we wonderfuL) so now LIVE WITH IT.

    Obama = lying bastard.
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    This will sound very cynical, but...

    Most people have no idea how many hundreds of billions of dollars that international drug trade (laundered through Wall St.) pumps into our economy every year. ... If it suddenly stopped, our economy would come to a grinding halt about a month later.
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    The new face of US foreign policy!

    We're drug dealers????
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    Have been at least 500 years now, the world's best. First it was the UK, then us.

    First tobacco, then opium, now all sorts of stuff like heroin, cocaine, opium, weed, etc.

    The world's biggest drug peddlers on the planet.

    Afganistan had zero drugs when the Taliban ran the country, till a few years ago. Now it's a major drug factory, for us.
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    An interesting theory about all of this, was that OBL orchestrated all of what he did not only to impact our infrastructure and psyche.. but to drag us into the diaspora of the Middle East.. the same middle east that has destroyed many great countries.. once we fully commit, we cannot win or ever get out.
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    Maybe he needed an organization like us to move his product for him? We have been his best partner over the years, haven't we? Makes sense when you consider how long he has been able to "evade" us.
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    We have made some very strange bedfellows in the mideast... and none is stranger than this dude...
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    ??????????

    Bin Laden is completely against the drug trade, and is supremely patriotic and ethnocentric when it comes to 'his people'.

    The only people at the top growing, and moving product, are Americans and Brits, who are the biggest drug peddlers on the planet.

    Afganistan had almost no drug crops in 2001, until we went in there and made it happen.

    Bin Laden was a CIA asset for 30 years. I wouldn't be surprised if he still is a CIA asset, making timely videos for his buddy Bush a few years ago, and this is the reason we still can't catch him (because we don't want to).
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    Another factor here is that the Russians bombed the crap out of their croplands... and after they left it was easier to grow Poppies than veggies..

    Bin Laden is against the drug trade for his people, but not for our people...
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