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  1. patriot lifer

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    Would be the right thing to do.
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    Let me state this as simply as I can.....


    MICHAEL VICK WILL NEVER AND I MEAN NEVER PLAY FOR THE FALCONS OR ANY NFL TEAM AGAIN - HIS CAREER IS ALL BUT OVER AS FAR AS THE NFL IS CONCERNED - NO PLAYER HAS THE ABILITY TO COME BACK FROM CHARGES AS DEVASTATING AS THESE - THIS IS NOT A DRUG OR STEROIDS ISSUE,ITS MUCH WORSE FOR A CAREER.
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    If he's convicted you're probably right, if he's acquitted... Ray Lewis came back from worse...
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    Eh... people have short memories... If he cools his jets for a year or two in the slammer, he'll come out and still be in his 20's... never say never...
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    nfl should give him the death penalty if he's convicted, yes

    but there's always the cfl
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    I have as much disdain for Lewis' act as the next guy, but Lewis most certainly did not get away with more. It is a common misconception that Lewis was the suspect in a murder. In reality, he withheld material information about a homicide.

    I am not backing his actions. But he is not the murderer that people seem to think he is.
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    Lewis was initially charged with (and tried for) the actual murder, not as an accessory. He ended up pleading guilty to obstruction of justice when it became obvious the prosecution didn't have a case, but the initial charge was for the actual act of killing someone.
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    He's facing 5 years on the conspiracy charge. And there is the potential that vick can be charged with numerous counts of animal cruelty if they convict him on MORE than just the initial indictment.

    If Vick spends 5 years in prison, he'll be 32 and won't have been on a football field for those 5 years. Vick relies almost solely on his legs. Do you honestly believe that, if he survives prison, hell still have the same speed he does now?
  11. patriot lifer

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    not to mention if they bag him for the gambling. That can be a lot more jailtime, if they have the evidence. And under the NFL's policy, he can be banned for life for gambling.
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    My guess is he will server about 3 years and he will play i the NFL again but not for the Falcons
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    Didn't want to start a new thread for this scum. His trial date has been set for November 26th per ESPN's coverage. His conditions of bail will include his not being allowed to travel outside of the jurisdiction of his residence without permission from pre trial services. His co-defendents were both ordered to undergo drug testing due to previous convictions and to wear monitoring devices. Vick was not.

    Superceding indictment to be filed in August which means that they may be adding new charges or dropping someone who is cooperating already per Roger Kossack of Court TV (there are rumors that Taylor and Vick have had a falling out and he's been out of the ring since 2007). That could require a new arraignment and trial date depending on how much the indictment changes. Vick and his codefendents waived the right to a speedy trial, but it only gained them about 6 weeks.

    Vick's lawyer is now talking flanked by Mama Boddie doing the Michael will be vindicated in court. Read a statement purportedly by Mike proclaiming his innocence but only apologizing to his Mama for all the trouble HE has caused the family and his teamates for not being with them in "spring training" (I think his lawyer mis ghost-wrote that for Mike...).
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    Amazingly, they never convicted any for murder in that case, IIRC. Truly sad.
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    Lol, maybe he's planning a career in baseball?
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    Deion Sanders Redux.
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    You guys need to stop judging this man and let the trial play out. If he comes out innocent, all of you will look like idiots! These are accusations with evidence coming from witnesses who are thugs themselves. How much trust can you put in someone who is already doing dirt! Just wait for all the facts to come out before you deem the man guilty!
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    Even Mort and the ESPN waterboys are now saying not only will bhe never take a snap in Atlanta again, he likely won't take another in the NFL. Mort claims the cap hit isn't as bad as previously predicted to cut him, and he thinks Blank will do that if somehow Vick gets off or tries to come back pending trial if the Commissioner doesn't extend his "suspension" or whatever it is he's on now. But Mort expects that if the Commissioner's new independent council finds sufficient evidence to corroberate any of the charges in the indictment, Goodell will suspend him probably by the 3rd week in August.

    BTW the judge who presided in the bond proceding (who was not the trial judge) said he'd received a lot of impassioned email about the case and while passions run high that as repulsive as the cruelty charges are they are not part of the indictment which primarily relates to an interstate gambling enterprise...
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    I don't have to wait for the trial, I think he's guilty now. I think OJ's guilty too, though the trial said otherwise. I'm not always right, I thought the Duke players were guilty, and boy was I wrong, but I feel comfortable given the evidence that I've seen to decide that he was involved.
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    That's the problem with society today! People want to judge people without knowing all the facts. I guess that makes you part of the problem!
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    Whether or not he's convicted in court he is history in Atlanta. Blank has had it with him. As Mort said if and when he releases him he expects Blank will cite behavior beyond what happened in this case as his rationale. He wants a face of the franchise that doesn't make him wince.

    I don't have to let a trial play out since I'm not part of that process. I'm not affraid of looking like an idiot on this one. When you by choice surround yourself with thugs in crimimal activity those are usually the bulk of the witnesses against you. As long as their testimony matches up to the facts as established by other evidence they are just as credible as you or me. Remember, the Feds didn't dig up the entire property, they knew right where to go based on an informant's information. They will have hard evidence to corroberate any witness testimony they present.
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    So I should pretend I don't have an opinion on his guilt? I certainly would not send him to jail based on the evidence that I've seen, but that's not my function. A trial won't tell us whether he actually did what he's accused of, it'll only tell us whether the prosecution or defense was able to convince a jury. Public opinion doesn't work on the "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard. Again, the court found OJ not guilty, but I can still say I think he's guilty, can't I?
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    Yes you are entitled to your opinion. But the court system is what America has in place to determine if a person is guilty or not. That's what determines if a person goes to jail or not. As far as the witnesses go, if I was doing dirt and could get off, I'd do what's best in my own interest too even if it meant telling a lie. I'm not saying that Vick wasn't aware of what could have been going on at his property. Maybe he didn't take it serious and do what he needed to do as far as keeping his name out of it. But if the Feds wanted me to place Vick at a fight to decrease or eliminate my jail time, why wouldn't I lie? I wouldn't have anything to loose right? If Vick was actually involved, he should do time. But just let all the facts come out before you make him guilty! That's all I'm saying!
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    Vick pled innocent. What is his defense?
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    Vick might be acquitted, so what? Our justice system is wrong, too, sometimes. The fact that he had these fights going on at his house for years tells me that his hands aren't 100% clean either way, and with animal abuse that would be enough for me to hate him, even if there's no criminal culpability.
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    We might know that until the trial, you don't need a defense ready to plead not guilty.
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    1) First of all, there's no such thing as being found innocent.
    2) Second of all, just because he is found "not guilty" does not mean he is innocent. If you don't believe me, just ask O.J. Simpson
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    You really don't know much about Federal cases do you? They have a 98% conviction rate. Meaning that they usually don't go to even the indictment stage unless they know they can get a conviction.

    MOST of the evidence isn't coming from "THUGS", its coming from the stuff they confiscated at his house. HIS HOUSE. And people who lived near there that said they used to see Vick there all the time. We're not talking about thugs. We're talking about his NEIGHBORS. So Vick has already lied saying that he didn't go there but a few times.

    You are clearly blinded by something. I'm not sure what, but you are. Because anyone who would believe that Vick is not guilty in this is delusional.
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    And people like you are just as much a part of the problem. BLINDLY ignoring what has already come out about the situation.
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    Marketing update on Vick -

    NFL Shop.com has stopped selling Vick jersey...

    Reebok has announced it will no longer produce a Vick jersey...

    Nike has announced it has suspended (without pay) it's contract with Vick. Per ESPN they have done this before in other cases and in this case it may indicate they have an out clause in their contract with him. What is new this time is they have advised retailers that they will provide some sort of assistance in liquidating their stock...

    ESPN says Vick doesn't have any sponsorship deals left since several had played out in the last year and weren't renewed.

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