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    Some sobering thoughts, in case anybody needs any:

    It was May 1939. In a little more than 30 months, the Empire of Japan would spoil America's splendid isolation (a term that actually refers to a period in British foreign policy) and drag us into World War II, thus ending the Great Depression.

    But on that May afternoon, electric fans cooled the House Ways and Means Committee room as the congressmen puzzled over the economy's persistent doldrums. No previous recession had lasted even half as long. The unemployment rate had again topped 20 percent -- though it had been seven years since the New Deal began. Henry Morgenthau, Roosevelt's Treasury Secretary, was testifying, and he was brutally honest about the results of the greatest (to that time) experiment in Keynesian fiscal policy.

    "We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work. And I have just one interest, and if I am wrong … somebody else can have my job. I want to see this country prosperous. I want to see people get a job. I want to see people get enough to eat. We have never made good on our promises ... I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started … And an enormous debt to boot."

    Burton Folsom Jr. in his new book, "New Deal or Raw Deal," has unearthed the above quote and much more -- an extraordinarily timely bit of historical housekeeping. Over the weekend we learned that several GOP governors, starting with Louisiana's Bobby Jindal, are going to decline funds from the "stimulus" bill just passed by lopsided Democratic majorities in Congress. This, too, has happened before.

    Mona Charen : Back to the Future? - Townhall.com



    <Editor's note: the original article published has the Japanese invasion of America at "6 months" from May of 1939, obviously a typographical error. >

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    Jindal is considered a "rising star"... and this may put him in the limelight.. but as there is still so much to be rebuilt in NOLA and the surrounding parishes... this may prove to be foolhardy... what would happen if the people of LA. then voted him out??? Would he still be a rising star???
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    What is so great about New Orleans, anyway?? It has a mayor who won't take care of his own people. All he does is blame others for his own malfeasance. The city itself is notorious as a hotbed of sleeze and witchcraft, fornication, adultery, drunkeness, and dissolution. That's worth saving when there are people trying to live properly in the world but don't have enough food to put in their stomachs??

    Whether it's Jindal or someone else does not matter. America needs fresh ideas, not the same old tired out methods tried and failed already by both parties, including Franklin Roosevelt's failed economic policy. If Obama marries that same course, start taking Spanish, Chinese, and Arabic classes. You're going to need them.


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    Birthplace of ...oh I don't know...JAZZ

    Delta from the mighty mississippi river, and a MAJOR shipping port

    Southern French Cajun cuisine, a little pocket of something special in the south.

    New Orleans is pretty cool.
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    Thats an amazing quote, and echoes what many of us feel. The government throwing money at the problem(specifically, our money) has never worked and will not work here. The fastest way to get the economy back on track? Have the government get out. It's as simple as that.
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    Another fan of the "Cincinnati Kid". Good movie, but the city still is a self-inflicted drain. They can't even bury their own dead there; they got to put them in concrete boxes *above* ground because if they dig down 6 feet they hit water.


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    Unlike Obama he may stick with his current job long enough to acquire some skeletons but like Obama all you have to do is watch him speak and realize why he's a rising star - he speaks very well; unlike Obama, though, I actually agree with him :D
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    Well, of course you do. He's republican, and not black.
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    I agree with most Black Republicans too. You are too stupid to realize that.
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    Perhaps you occassionally align yourself with the public statements of the token black republican politician or two. Great. But we all know, deep down, you'd never want one running the country.

    I'll let you get back to pretending I'm the dumb one here. Whatever makes you feel better inside. LOL.
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    Believe it or not there can be Black Republicans who are not "tokens". The fact that you consider every Black Republican to be a token shows that you are the racist, not me.
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    Wow, you're obviously incredibly ignorant, incredibly racist, or both.
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    Because of WWII, we deficit spent heavily and got out the Depression. Nazi Germany got out of its depression the same way. The Keynsian complaint about Roosevelt was that he deficit spent enough to get out of the depression, but not enough to get out of perpetual recession. By the way, prior to Roosevelt, we had many more recessions than we've had since him. The belief that when the market fails, government must restart it is very sound. Otherwise, how do you break the spiral that when companies lay off people, people have less money to spend, which forces companies to lay off more people. Even the icon of the right, Ronald Reagan understood this, and was one of the biggest deficit spenders in our history. The blind faith that market always corrects itself is based on nothing.
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    Yet, you can't stop "bothering" with me, can you, little man?

    Run along now. The military channel has some great stuff on about bombing innocent civilians.
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    This is the depth of Con man irony. Just play the opposite game, and pretend the progressives are somehow the racists, while dismissing hundreds of blatantly racist posts by David Duke above. That's awesome.

    Anyhow, name me more than 12 republicans who are black. And try and avoid "I know this guy at work who... "
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    No it is not... just left there yesterday, it has issues.. but it is much more than what you describe...
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    After the NO mayor did in turning Katrina into a political football, I think that city suffered a major loss of political capital; many people could care less if it disappears under the Gulf or not.

    Btw, where was Obamarama during the recent floods that devastated the mid-west, killing many and leaving it a total disaster??? Should we now go around saying, "Obama hates white people" because he was AWOL on that??

    Karma is a birch.


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    You have no clue what you are talking about, remember once before you claimed that Nagin did not close the locks on the canals and he was responsible for the flooding.. and I told you that that was the responsibility of the Army Corps of Engineers.. your highly intelligent response was to tell me to call the Army next time it rained in Woonsocket.. this is the same type of thing.. you cannot and never will comprehend the destruction that occurred from Gulfport to New Orleans..

    Once again our religious dude is advocating for people to loose their homes and their culture.. because a few cross the line.. you have no idea about any of this and when you open your mouth about it you sound like a damned fool. Comparing the destruction of Katrina to the Midwest floods is akin to comparing raisins to grapefruits.

    Many people do not care if it sinks into the Gulf, but just as many if not more would like to see it continue as it is a great melting pot of cultures and all that is associated with it.
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    You sound like you have stock in Bourbon Street.

    NO is what it is: a moral swamp. Who can sympathize with that? You also misrepresented my position on the what happened at Katrina, but that's what bigots do. No surprises there. You do what you do.

    Nagin is a welfare whore, and Obama did next to nothing when the floods hit the "flyover" mid-west. Yet his adoring left-wing media gives him a total pass.

    Karma's gonna be a biitch on this, I predict.


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    "Moral Swamp"? Is that anything like an "Immoral Swamp"?

    You should know about living in an immoral swamp. Your country should be under 200 feet of muck after how it easily participated in the Holocaust of the Jews. Hard to listen to the opinion of a Lithuanian about what American place is moral or not. Thanks for the laughs, stupid!
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    He has stock in America - something you would know nothing about. Norleans is one of OUR cities and would put to shame Vilnius or any other Soviet sh!thole you might call a "city" in Lithuania.
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    A coupla six-packs and you'll be like new, Wistah.

    Why don't you come over to Lithuania and say these things, hard case?? You talk like a real baddie over the internet.

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    First of all, Bourbon St. is not what NOLA is all about.. it is one street, that is all. The action there is less than any strip joints in Providence, Worcester or Boston..

    Saw a few of your fellows, with their placards and bull horns.. everybody was having a good laugh.. they deserve it as no one pays attention.

    You keep comparing the destruction of Katrina to the mid west floods and in reality do not know or understand the impact of each..

    I did not represent what you said about Katrina.. you sound as stupid now as you did then.
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    Why? They still sensitive about their crimes against humanity over there? Embarrassed how they roll over to whoever comes invading? Real scary, you Lithuanians!

    Now go to bed and STFU about our American brothers and sisters. Your insults are boring.
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    OK, whatever. We will see what happens. My bets haven't changed, except to go bigger on God's way. Let's see how it all plays out.

    As to the actual contents of this thread, Charen is on target: more big government deficit spending is NOT going to help in the long run, except to make America massively indebted to China and other foreign governments.

    You may be happy with that; a lot of us are not.


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