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  1. DW Toys

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    From SB Nation:

    "Undrafted Free Agent Signings 2011: Which Players Are Still Available

    The 2011 NFL Draft is over, but there are still a number of undrafted free agents out there that could help a team. Due to the NFL lockout, none of these players can sign contracts yet, but they are there to keep an eye on as the process hopefully has a happy ending.

    Here is a list of some of the top undrafted free agents out there, via SB Nation's Arrowhead Pride and according to NFL.com. Click the header of a column to sort it:

    Player Position Height Weight School
    Ryan Bartholomew C 6'1" 302 Syracuse
    Alexander Linnenkohl C 6'2" 304 Oregon St.
    Deunta Williams CB 6'2" 205 North Carolina
    Niles Brinkley DB 5'10" 193 Wisconsin
    Kendric Burney DB 5'9" 186 North Carolina
    Mario Butler DB 6'0" 182 Georgia Tech
    Vance Cuff DB 5'10" 178 Georgia
    Joe Lefeged DB 6'0" 210 Rutgers
    Andrew McGee DB 5'11" 195 Oklahoma St.
    Kevin Rutland DB 6'0" 190 Missouri
    David Sims DB 5'9" 200 Iowa St.
    Devon Torrence DB 6'0" 199 Ohio St.
    Wayne Daniels DE 6'0" 260 TCU
    Ladi Ajiboye DL 6'1" 297 South Carolina
    Pierre Allen DL 6'4" 273 Nebraska
    Brandon Bair DL 6'6" 276 Oregon
    Ugo Chinasa DL 6'5" 264 Oklahoma St.
    Demarcus Dobbs DL 6'2" 281 Georgia
    Kentrell Lockett DL 6'5" 241 Mississippi
    Martin Parker DL 6'2" 303 Richmond
    Adrian Taylor DL 6'3" 311 Oklahoma
    Cedric Thornton DL 6'3" 309 Southern Arkansas
    Colby Whitlock DL 6'2" 302 Texas Tech
    Ian Williams DL 6'1" 319 Notre Dame
    Ryan Winterswyk DL 6'4" 268 Boise St.
    John Graves DT 6'3" 286 Virginia Tech
    Sealver Siliga DT 6'2" 305 Utah
    Henry Hynoski FB 6'0" 257 Pittsburgh
    Will Hill FS 6'1" 202 Florida
    Jerrard Tarrant FS 6'0" 204 Georgia Tech
    Justin Boren G 6'3" 309 Ohio St.
    Dan Bailey K 6'0" 193 Oklahoma St.
    Ryan Donahue K 6'2" 193 Iowa
    Kai Forbath K 5'11" 197 UCLA
    Reid Forrest K 6'0" 189 Washington St.
    Joshua Jasper K 5'10" 174 LSU
    Jacob Rogers K 6'2" 213 Cincinnati
    Nick Bellore LB 6'1" 245 Central Michigan
    Mark Herzlich LB 6'4" 244 Boston College
    Jeremiha Hunter LB 6'1" 239 Iowa
    Elijah Joseph LB 6'1" 243 Temple
    Orie Lemon LB 6'1" 242 Oklahoma St.
    Scott Lutrus LB 6'2" 241 Connecticut
    Adrian Moten LB 6'2" 228 Maryland
    Derrell Smith LB 6'0" 243 Syracuse
    Daniel Aiken OL 6'4" 244 Virginia
    Garrett Chisolm OL 6'5" 312 South Carolina
    Joshua Davis OL 6'7" 313 Georgia
    Ray Dominguez OL 6'4" 334 Arkansas
    Adam Grant OL 6'6" 325 Arizona
    Richard Henry OL 6'3" 308 Nebraska
    Kyle Hix OL 6'7" 318 Texas
    Kevin Hughes OL 6'4" 302 Southeast Louisiana
    Zachary Hurd OL 6'7" 316 Connecticut
    Carl Johnson OL 6'5" 361 Florida
    Jarriel King OL 6'5" 317 South Carolina
    Richard Lapham OL 6'8" 315 Boston College
    Kristofer O'Dowd OL 6'4" 304 USC
    Stephen Schilling OL -- -- Michigan
    Willie Smith OL 6'5" 310 East Carolina
    Zane Taylor OL 6'3" 309 Utah
    Isaiah Thompson OL 6'3" 300 Houston
    Chas Henry P 6'3" 215 Florida
    Ryan Colburn QB 6'3" 223 Fresno St.
    Patrick Devlin QB 6'3" 225 Delaware
    Jerrod Johnson QB 6'5" 251 Texas A&M
    Joshua Nesbitt QB 6'1" 217 Georgia Tech
    Joshua Portis QB 6'3" 211 California (PA)
    Scott Tolzien QB 6'2" 212 Wisconsin
    Jeff Van Camp QB 6'5" 218 Florida Atlantic
    Armando Allen RB 5'8" 199 Notre Dame
    Matt Asiata RB 5'11" 229 Utah
    Damien Berry RB 5'10" 211 Miami
    John Clay RB 6'1" 230 Wisconsin
    Graig Cooper RB 5'10" 205 Miami
    Noel Devine RB 5'8" 179 West Virginia
    Shaun Draughn RB 5'11" 213 North Carolina
    Darren Evans RB 6'0" 227 Virginia Tech
    Mario Fannin RB 5'10" 231 Auburn
    Derrick Locke RB 5'8" 188 Kentucky
    Brandon Saine RB 5'11" 220 Ohio St.
    Vai Taua RB 5'10" 213 Nevada
    Jeron Johnson SS 5'10" 212 Boise St.
    Deandre McDaniel SS 6'0" 217 Clemson
    Nate Williams SS 6'0" 211 Washington
    Preston Dial TE 6'3" 237 Alabama
    Charlie Gantt TE 6'4" 252 Michigan St.
    Cameron Graham TE 6'3" 244 Louisville
    Schuylar Oordt TE 6'6" 261 Northern Iowa
    Zack Pianalto TE 6'3" 256 North Carolina
    Allen Reisner TE 6'2" 248 Iowa
    Weslye Saunders TE 6'5" 270 South Carolina
    Darvin Adams WR 6'2" 190 Auburn
    Armon Binns WR 6'3" 209 Cincinnati
    DeAndre Brown WR 6'6" 233 Southern Miss
    Mark Dell WR 6'0" 193 Michigan St.
    Tori Gurley WR 6'4" 216 South Carolina
    Jamel Hamler WR 6'1" 193 Fresno St.
    Andre Holmes WR 6'4" 210 Hillsdale
    Lestar Jean WR 6'3" 215 Florida Atlantic
    Ricardo Lockette WR 6'2" 211 Fort Valley St.
    Jeffrey Maehl WR 6'1" 190 Oregon
    Joe Morgan WR 6'1" 189 Walsh
    O.J. Murdock WR 5'11" 197 Fort Hays St.
    Jamar Newsome WR 6'1" 200 Central Florida
    Jock Sanders WR 5'6" 181 West Virginia
    Dane Sanzenbacher WR 5'11" 182 Ohio St.
    Keith Smith WR 6'2" 214 Purdue
    Owen Spencer WR 6'2" 195 N.C. State
    Terrence Toliver WR 6'4" 212 LSU
    Terrance Turner WR 6'2" 220 Indiana
    Marshall Williams WR 6'1" 188 Wake Forest
    Jimmy Young WR 6'0" 204 TCU"

    Two missing I like are DE 6'4" 4.3 speed OLB Keith Darbut and Hawaii Safety Mana Silva.
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    Players I would love to see from the undrafted rookie free agent class:

    3-4 DE
    Brandon Bair - Oregon - 6-6 283, quick off snap, tall, strong, 3 sacks, 26 (Mormon mission)
    Lucas Patterson - Texas A&M - 6-4 293, 3 sacks
    Craig Marshall - South Florida - 6-5 276, 4 sacks

    3-4 OLB
    Ugo Chinasa - Oklahoma State - 6-5 264, 4.64 40, 4 sacks, 3 PBU's, 1 INT
    Thomas Keiser - Stanford - 6-4 1/2 244 - 4.5 sacks, 9.5 TFL, 2 PBU's, 1 INT

    S
    Joe Lefeged - Rutgers - 6-0 210 - 4.42 40, KR, excellent tackler
    DeAndre McDaniel - Clemson - 6-0 217 - 4.64 40, 14 career INT's, experienced, versatile
    Jeron Johnson - Boise State - 5-10 212 - 4.55 40, physical, reads plays, ferocious
    Keanemana Silva - Hawaii - 6-1 206 - 4.44, fast, 8 INT's in 2010, great coverage

    RB
    Mario Fannin - Auburn - 5-10 231 - 4.38 40, 6.5 ypc, third down receiver, speed, size
    Nic Grigsby - Arizona - 5-11 199 - 4.38 40, 7.2 ypc, 6.6 3 cone, 1150 yards as soph, quick, agile

    WR
    Terrence Toliver - LSU - 6-3 1/2 211 - 4.59 40, 6.5 3 cone, fluid, good hands
    Armon Binns - Cincinnati - 6-2 211 - 4.53 - 1100 yards receiving
    Jeff Maehl - Oregon - 6-1 190 - 4.62 - fastest 3 cone, agile, quick, 1076 yards, 12 TD's
    Greg Ellingson - Florida International - 6-3 197 - 4.44 - 15.2 ypc, 32 of 36 catches for TD or first down
    Jamere Holland - Lindenwood - 5-11 191 - 4.45 - fast, productive, deep threat, 21.4 ypc
    Dane Sanzenbacher - Ohio State - 5-11 182 - 4.59, 6.5 3 cone, quick, agile, 25 Wonderlic - tops WR

    OG
    Justin Boren - Ohio State - 6-3 304 - 5.54 40, 7.6 3 cone
    Zach Hurd - Connecticut - 6-7 316 - 5.34 - huge, relatively quick

    C
    Kristofer O'Dowd - USC - 6-4 304 - 5.16 - smart, quick, top competition
    Ryan Bartholomew - Syracuse - 6-1 302 - 4.97 - smart, 27 Wonderlic, fast, strong 34 bench reps
    Tim Barnes - Missouri - 6-4 297 - 5.17 - agile, 7.2 3 cone
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    Some very good players at S and C.

    Very limited options at DE, OLB, WR, RB.
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    How about Jake Kirkpatrick, the Rimington Trophy winner? Center seems like the strongest position on the list.
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    And how about a DT:

    Martin Parker, Richmond: 6'2" 303 4.95/2.86/1.71 22 29" 08'08" 4.57 7.56 - Quick interior penetrator who could be useful in sub packages
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    Mark Dell
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    Couldn't workout at the combine because of a knee injury. He'd be decent camp competition, but I don't think he's better than any of the current receivers.
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    You might want to read some clips on Jamere Holland before you invite him to Foxboro.
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    Good find.
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    Very surprised Ian Williams from ND, Kris O'Dowd from USC didnt get drafted and Denuta Williams from UNC didnt get drafted, they were good players in college. I definitely see them making an NFL team. Actually, a lot of good players right there can make NFL teams, still a lot of talent out there.
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    Isn't Maehl an instant upgrade over Tate?
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    After the top 6 picks, there were no instant upgrades over Tate at WR.
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    The Safety from Clemson, he is very good. Mario Fannin, and Tolliver from LSU, and we have a heck of a draft.
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    Why would he be?
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    Because he is a skinny white dude playing wide receiver. Seriously, I have no clue.
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    Dependability in catching the ball. Tate taking the lid off with speed is baloney. He runs crap routes, drops too many passes and he has been here for two years. You guys like him, have at it.

    Maehl has one of the best 3 cones in the Draft and he can catch. He's two inches taller than Tate.....wait a minute.....why am I arguing about Tate with you Cousins? He has done nothing.

    I hope you are right about him if you see him as the next Jerry Rice. Good luck!

    I remember a skinny white kid (spray paint him tan if that makes you feel better. This is not about skin tone. I'll take a few African American WR as well over Tate) that had a decent career in the NFL because he could run routes and catch. Chris Collinsworth. That is who he reminds me of. Tate might be built like Adonis but he plays like Bethel Johnson. I hope he proves me wrong someday.
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    I don't like Tate, per se, but I was realistic in my expectations of a guy playing his first real season since the middle of 2008. He showed flashes. This is the year where we expect consistency. If he doesn't improve from last season, that's when we give up on him.

    Maehl is exactly one inch taller than Tate, down to the 8th of an inch (6007 to 5117).
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    I saw Maehl play a few times and thought he stood out. He often seemed to come up with the big catch when the team really needed it - right place, right time type of guy who wasn't afraid. Brady would love him I bet.

    Some surprising names on that UDFA list, quite a few were mentioned as no lower than mid-round picks.

    Fannin from Auburn could really be a steal for someone. Maybe Carolina? They're losing one of their starting RB's to FA, so why not give Newton a legit security blanket and bring in Fannin to hand off to?

    Devlin, the QB from Delaware, was one of the names with last minute pre-draft buzz but didn't get touched.

    BB usually finds a guy or two out of the the UDFAs; heck, isn't the league average around 25% of the roster being UDFAs? So several on this list will likely be playing NFL ball soon.
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    Maehl is going to make some teams 2011 roster and contribute right away. I just hope it's the Pats and not the Colts or Jets.
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    I don't personally care if Tate's skin color is vermilion with chartreuse spots, though that might clash horribly with the Pats' uniform.

    I've also never thought/expected that Tate was the "next" Jerry Rice. I don't think he NEEDS to be the next Jerry Rice to be everything the Pats need for his role. Perhaps you believe Tate DOES need to be the next Jerry Rice in order to be acceptable.

    In any case, here's how Tate compares with some other mediocre WRs.
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    First season production comparison of selected WRs:

    1ST ---- Draft --- PLAYER ---------------------------------- CATCH
    Season - Pick# ---------------------------------------------- RATE

    2003 --- 3 -- Andre Johnson ----- 16 gms - 66/976 - 4 TDs - 55%
    2004 --- 3 -- Larry Fitzgerald ----- 16 gms - 58/780 - 8 TDs - 51%
    2005 -- 27 -- Roddy White ------- 16 gms - 29/446 - 3 TDs - 43%
    2001 -- 30 -- Reggie Wayne ------ 13 gms - 27/345 - 0 TDs - 55%
    2001 -- 36 -- Chad Ochocinco ---- 12 gms - 28/329 -- 1 TD - 47%
    2001 -- 74 -- Steve Smith (CAR) - 15 gms - 10/154 - 0 TDs - 50%
    2010 -- 83 -- B. TATE ----------- 16 gms - 24/432 - 3 TDs - 52%
    1997 -- 98 -- Derrick Mason ------ 16 gms - 14/186 - 0 TDs - 47%
    2005 - 119 -- Brandon Marshall --- 15 gms - 20/309 - 2 TDs - unk


    LEADING 2010 WRs BY Yds/Catch:

    WR ---------- YPC - Total - YAC - Air yds - 20+% - Lng - TD% - C/R

    B. Lloyd ------ 18.8 - 1448 - 198 -- 16.2 -- 30% --- 71 - 14% - 50%
    M. Floyd ------ 19.4 -- 717 - 118 -- 16.2 -- 32% --- 55 - 16% - 48%
    Armstrong ---- 19.8 -- 871 - 171 -- 15.9 -- 34% --- 76 -- 7% - 51%
    Britt ---------- 18.5 -- 775 - 124 -- 15.5 -- 29% --- 80 - 21% - 58%
    D. Jackson ---- 22.5 - 1056 - 354 -- 14.9 -- 45% --- 91 - 13% - 49%
    Wallace ------- 21.0 - 1257 - 364 -- 14.9 -- 43% --- 56 - 17% - 60%
    Knox ---------- 18.8 -- 960 - 243 -- 14.1 -- 33% --- 67 - 12% - 51%
    BRANDON TATE 18.0 -- 432 - 112 -- 13.3 -- 33% --- 65 - 13% - 52%
    Naanee -------- 16.1 -- 371 -- 92 -- 12.1 -- 22% --- 59 -- 4% - 50%
    Edwards ------- 17.1 -- 904 - 290 -- 11.6 -- 26% --- 74 - 13% - 52%
    Jennings ------- 16.6 - 1265 - 415 -- 11.2 -- 28% --- 86 - 16% - 61%
    Obomanu ------ 16.5 -- 494 - 182 -- 10.4 -- 23% --- 87 - 13% - 60%
    Hester --------- 11.9 -- 475 - 222 -- 6.3 -- 10% --- 39 - 10% - 55%

    So, based on the above comp catch rates, if Tate stopped "dropping so many", maybe he WOULD be the next Jerry Rice, since only 4 fewer drops would have put him over 60%.

    "Punching Bag" comparison:

    RECEIVING

    Tate ----------- 24/432, 18.0 ypc, 3 TDs, 52% CATCH RATE (2010 only, 16 games)
    Bethel Johnson - 30/450, 15.0 ypc, 4 TDs, 47% CATCH RATE (THREE SEASON TOTAL, 39 games)
    Chad Jackson --- 13/152, 11.7 ypc, 3 TDs ----- (TWO SEASON TOTAL, 14 games)

    KICK RETURNS

    Tate ---- 41/1057, 25.8 ypKR, 2 TDs (2010 only)
    Johnson - 41/1016, 24.8 ypKR, 1 TD (2004 - his BEST season)
    Hester -- 43/934,, 21.7 ypKR, 2 TDs (2007 - his BEST season at KR)
    Hobbs --- 45/1281, 28.5 ypKR, 1 TD (2008*)

    *The only better single season KR performance in the BB Era.
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    Tate ---- 4/106, 26.5 ypKR (2009 - active two games)
    Jackson - 6/106, 17.7 ypKR (TOTAL KR production in TWO seasons, 14 games)

    Finally, for those who believe that 2010 was somehow anything close to a "second full season" for Tate:

    Tate tore his ACL and MCL and missed the final 8 games (of 13) of his senior season.
    - He did not perform in any workouts prior to the 2009 draft while recovering from knee surgery (AFAIK).
    - He was put on NFI/PUP for the Pats' 2009 training camp and was not allowed to practice with the team.
    - He was moved to 2009 regular season PUP after camp and was not allowed to practice with the team for six more weeks.
    - He was activated for Week 7 (earliest possible date) and remained active for 2 games (3 weeks, including the BYE).
    - In his second active game (3rd week), he re-injured his knee and was placed on IR, and was not allowed to practice with the team (even if he could work out at all).

    So, from November 2008 (at the latest) through the start of 2010 OTAs (March?) at the earliest - a period of 19 months (76 weeks) - Tate probably had no more than three weeks of full practice with the Pats. That doesn't count as a "season" IMHO, but your standards may be somewhat harsher.
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    Perhaps. Maehl was draft #52 (last) overall by the UFL Virginia Destroyers, so, if he signs, at least he will have been participating in organized team practices and playing in games somewhere (better than nothing).
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    If Tate is your man Cousin, I respect your opinion. He has been here two years I don't care injured or not he still had the playbook. I am surprise that Bethel Johnson was better in most respects. I appreciate your hard work.
    IMHO he is not a starting NFL wide receiver, We need to fill that hole. The other issue is TB has no faith in him at this point. He will check down with Tate as the last option.
    He had his chance. Let the next guy try. I hope I am wrong but he has no hands and those are what you get paid for.
    Just one man's opinion. I feel Maehl is an upgrade. I would prefer many over Maehl though.
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    You're evaluation of Tate leaves alot to be desired..

    Tate runs good routes. Only you think that Tate is this blazing speed demon. Most of us know that he runs in the mid 4.40 to 4.5.

    You seem to forget that he was recovering from an ACL injury. And, while technically he's been with the Pats for 2 years, he hasn't played for 2 years. He basically red-shirted his rookie season.

    You claim that Tate drops too many. How many did he drop last year of the 46 times he was targetted??

    Maehl is 6'0 7/8" and Tate is 5'11 7/8" . How does that translate into Maehl being 2 inches taller than Tate?

    Maehl ran between a 4.56 and 4.63 depending on which numbers you take.

    Maehl's 3 cone and shuttle were: 6.42/6.90 and 3.96/4.04 respectively for the Combine/Pro Day. All we have is Tate's numbers from his campus workout prior to him shredding his knee. And that was 7.25 and 4.12 respectively.

    Tate's vertical was 36" compared to Maehl's 33.5". And Tate's broad jump was 9'4" compared to 10'01".

    Maehl might be a more polished receiver, but Tate has the special teams experience. Which was one of the main reasons he was drafted.


    Just like your mischaracterizations of Sanders, you are doing so with Tate. let's see what he does THIS YEAR as he's fully healthy.
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    It was 5, meaning Tate and Welker had basically the same drop percentage.
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    Having the playbook doesn't mean squat when it comes to actually RUNNING the plays.

    INYO, James Sanders was the worst safety on the team and should have been dealt year's ago.

    As for your claim that Brady has no faith in him, that is absolute BS on your part. You have nothing, NOTHING, to back that up.
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    So, I guess Welker is a bum also.. Guess we should get rid of him cause he's not a "starting quality" WR either.. :rolleyes:
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    I took issue with your claim that "Tate has done nothing." That doesn't make him "MY man."

    Seriously? "Having the playbook" is just as good as, oh, I dunno, having a knee that you can actually run on and 73 weeks of actually working out and practicing with Tom Brady?

    Tate produced, in one season, almost exactly as much as Bethel Johnson did in THREE, and Johnson is BETTER? Is there something amiss with my math ?

    Thanks. I think. Not sure how much good it's done anyone.

    I really couldn't say yet, one way or the other. I think he's shown enough and contributed enough as a KR to keep his roster spot and get an extended chance to improve, but you're entitled to disagree.

    Odd. I had a nice chat about WRs with Tom just the other day and he never mentioned this. Did he say something to you?

    I guess Roddy White, Reggie Wayne, Chad Ochocinco, Derrick Mason and Steve Smith "had their chance" and "did nothing" in their first years and should have been turned out then - instead of being given more time to develop? Or Givens. He didn't do squat his first season (9/92) and sucked as a KR. Or Branch. He only had about 50 more yards than Tate his first year, only 2 TDs and a measly 11.4 YPC, AND wasn't as good a returner. Never should have been given a second season to prove himself, right? Oh, wait. That's right. The Pats drafted Bethel Johnson following Branch's first year. THERE was a great move, eh?

    Maehl is nearly identical in size to Tate, ran one of the slowest WR 40s at the Combine and was the last guy taken in the UFL Draft the other day, but, sure, why not? Since Maehl didn't return one kick in his entire college career, I suppose we'd have Vereen take over KR duties. I believe he was high as 81st in the country one year. Or Slater. We could always fall back on Slater. Or Bethel Johnson. He was okay that one year. He might be available to come back.
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    Okay, here are a few UDFA that I wouldn't mind getting an invite to Foxboro:

    Terrance Tolliver, tall, fast WR from LSU.

    Zach Hurd, a 6'7" Guard, seems to be the way Dante is going these days.

    Ryan Bartholomew, C, Syracuse, Kiper had this guy as one the the best players left on his board for over half of day three. He could suplant Koppen, at the very least worth an invite to camp.


    DE- Ugo Chinasas, DE/OLB Oklahoma State (could you hear the Ugo, Ugo, Ugo chants now resonating from the bowls of Foxboro. Has the height/weight for a conversaion.

    DE-Ryan Winterstyck, DE Boise St. none stop motor, would most likely stay at DE in the Pats scheme.

    S-DeAndre McDaniel- would have been a 2nd or 3rd round pick last year, I don't know what happened to him, maybe he was hurt, but worth a look.

    OLB- Mark Herzlich, come'on Bill, give the kid a chance!!!!

    of course, now that I've put this down in writing, you can bet that none of them will ever get an invite to camp!!!!
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    I can't post links yet but I have a list of the top 125 undrafted free agents on my site. NFLroughdraft dot com if you're interested.
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    If you and DeBruinz feel that Tate is a superb starting WR in the NFL or just even a starting receiver in the NFL, I respect that. You are not going to change my mind or many others. I am not wed to Maehl as you can see. I will take any upgrade. IMO Maehl runs better routes, has a great 10 yard burst and is more dependable as a receiver. I don't remember saying Tate was not the better athlete. And Tom did tell me he is not looking at Tate, because he didn't look at Tate until after he saw if Volmer was open or not. Tom looked at Tate an average of roughly two times per game according to the 46 looks. If you Cousins are satisfied that those numbers are good for a starting NFL WR, o.k. for you I guess.

    I hope I am dead wrong about the kid, but remember he was a mediocre WR at N.C. His KR prowess helped his Draft status. Take away the one broken play TD and tell me what Tate's YPC was?

    I still say he was not a rookie. Discount that as you feel necessary.

    One more question, do you not agree we were more of a running Team back when those other WR you named played?

    And as far as DeBruinz, please do your own homework. You prove it and get back to me.
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