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  1. Patters

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    This Newsweek poll has some interesting numbers.

    http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/17875540/site/newsweek/

    For instance,

    62% of Americans would not vote for an atheist candidate

    66% of Americans are dissatisfied with the way things are going.

    60% disapprove of Bush's handling of the job.

    28% of Republicans (and 81% of Democrats) support the Senate resolution calling for a pullout from Iraq by next March.

    But here's the most surprising result ....

    Ready?

    ...

    14% of agnostics/atheists believe God created humans more or less in their present form and an additional 27% of agnostics/atheists believe God guided the process. Atheists just ain't what they used to be. :)
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    Newsflash: Atheist is not synonymous with agnostic. There is nothing inconsistent with someone who claims to be an agnostic saying "Well, if I have to give an guess, I would say I believe there is a God."
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    Is a person of shaken faith an Agnostic? I don't think so, I think that person is just po'd at his church/temple/whatever. Obviously the 'Atheists' in that poll just don't understand the term.
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    I don't think Athiests should be bashed in any way but I also don't think an Athiest should interfere with another persons beliefs.

    Being an Athiest is nobody's business but the Athiests unless the Athiest starts telling the believer that he is wrong, if the Athiest starts telling the believer that he is wrong than the Athiest opens himself up to some bashing.

    I believe in something, when you wake up in the morning and step out into the world you have to say to yourself "all this sh!t didn't just happen".

    When you hear of Wars, people killing each other just because they are different, little children dying in fires or being murdered, watching a good person dying from cancer, watching the people jumping from windows trying to fly on 9/11 and all the other human sufferings we hear of in our daily lives it is very easy to understand the Athiest.
    When Jeffrey Dahmer was arrested I thought, "why would a Good God create a person like that in his own image".

    Yes my brothers and sisters things happen daily to make one wonder and there are times that I say to myself "Harry, your very close to being an Athiest" but I haven't turned that corner yet, I haven't crossed the line I still think there is a Supreme Being out there, I don't believe there was a big bang, if there was where did the big bang come from, if there was a big bang something had to create the big bang, where did that come from, who created the creator of the big bang and on and on?

    The Bible might explain all the horrors that go on in this world with these simple words "The Lord Moveth In Mysterious Ways His Wonders To Perform".

    You are born with the ability to be a good kind loving decent person, then you are on your own, if you choose the wrong path then the Creator will take care of you later.

    One more thing before I leave, it is written that the Lord does move in mysterious ways, one of those mysteries is, why did he create us in such a fashion that we as his living creatures enjoy eating each other (Sirloin Medium Rare) ?

    Don't BASH the Athiest though, the Athiest could be right, but if he is wrong he is also one of God's Children, so leave him alone, if he is wrong, then Some Day He Will Also Join The Family Circle At The Throne (Daddy Sang Bass Mama Sang Tenor)
    Amen.
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    Re: Religion should be banned from ALL SOCIETIES

    It's ludicrous that in this modern age, individuals are still brainwashed into these irrational cults. Organized religion is not particularly different from other cults formed by crazies like Mansion and Koresh. The only difference is that the former has been legitimized through years of brainwashing (and oppression and murder). The fundamental irrational nature however is identical. Separation of church and state was a good beginning but as nutty conservatives in America demonstrate, the existence of the concept is not enough to restrain the crazies from trying to force others to abide by their cults' teachings. It's disturbing that these types of people use their cult membership and irrational teachings to try to infringe upon the rights of others. Banning religion and freeing future generations from such teachings would be a start in the right direction of creating a completely rational, democratic society. These polls demonstrate that America still has a long way to go.
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    Re: Religion should be banned from ALL SOCIETIES

    I'm no fan of organized religion, but I've never heard of people being murdered at the local Presbyterian Church or Orthodox Temple. At least around where I live.
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    Re: Religion should be banned from ALL SOCIETIES

    :rofl:

    More tolerance I see.

    Welcome to the forum! :eek:
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    The Greatest Mystery In Life Is Death
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    I'm pretty sure I'm going to be reincarnated as dirt.
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    Not any more, I looked it up on Wikipedia.
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    Re: Religion should be banned from ALL SOCIETIES

    Ah yes, because nothing says freedom and democracy like banning religions... :rolleyes:

    Thanks you for being a characture of the typical loony liberal that so many in here say doesn't exist. As has been noted in this forum before by individuals far wiser than myself, atheism is a religion who's practitioners want to impose on everyone else.
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    Re: Religion should be banned from ALL SOCIETIES

    I don't normally agree with Qui Gon, but I'd be lying if I didn't admit to going "damn right" when I read that.

    How in the world do you ban people from believing in something while convincing yourself that it's best for a rational society?
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    Re: Religion should be banned from ALL SOCIETIES

    You can't ban religion, but slowly but surely it's fading away. In the old days, everything -- day, night, winter, summer, life, death -- was explained by God. Now, religion occupies mostly a spiritual realm, and let's remember that many right wingers would probably be cannibals if it wasn't for their fear of God. Only their fear of God keeps them somewhat civilized.
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    Re: Religion should be banned from ALL SOCIETIES

    yeah, like that comment wasnt hateful and idiotic.

    believe me Patters, i havent met a right winger is remotely interested in eating you.:)
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    Re: Religion should be banned from ALL SOCIETIES

    Surely, you agree that religious dogma is not what it used to be. Most people believe in a God who shares their views on just about everything. Out of curiosity, do you have any views where you say to yourself, "Darn, in my heart I really believe that such and such is okay, but my religion tells me it's wrong, so I can't believe it."

    That's because they fear God!
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    Re: Religion should be banned from ALL SOCIETIES

    Banning religion is banishing God, banishing goodness. Godlessness needs to be banned.
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    Re: Religion should be banned from ALL SOCIETIES

    An ignorant intolerant conservative like yourself should be quite aware that democratic society doesn't entail UNLIMITED FREEDOMS. Murder is banned as is CHILD PORNOGRAPHY as are a host of other actions. Of course making murder a crime doesn't stop the occurence of murder nor will banning religion be enough to wipe out the beliefs of the current cult members. However, banning, along with adjusting societal cultural values to emphasize the pure stupidity of organized religion should be enough to remove its current legitimacy and reduce the number of adherents to a point where organized religion wouldn't be a threat to a rational, democratic society. It's not surprising that you would be opposed to such a movement since it would remove the very basis you use for oppressing or attempting to oppress the natural, individual freedoms of others.

    Atheism isn't a religion. Believing that the world isn't flat doesn't make one part of a religion and acknowledging the obvious - that organized religions are cults based on a variety of fairytales, passed down through generations -also doesn't make one a member of a religion.
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    Re: Religion should be banned from ALL SOCIETIES


    Hmmm....when did I say one should "ban beliefs"? Beliefs cannot be "banned". I don't agree with racism or sexism but I wouldn't suggest "banning racist beliefs or sexist beliefs" because it cannot be done. However, I fully support efforts to ban racist actions and sexist actions and I fully support efforts to delegitimize racist and sexist beliefs. This can also be applied to religion. Banning religion would only entail the total removal of religion from the public sphere (i.e. no more silly swearing on the Bible), banning public and organized worship (it could be done in private homes) and delegitimizing organised religion by emphasizing its irrationality and its contradictions. Society can promote values that would delegitimize organized religion and thus ensure that fewer would adopt such irrational beliefs and more importantly, attempt to use such irrational beliefs to infringe on the rights of others. Just as the indication of racist or sexist beliefs is correctly scorned in public (although quite alright in private) so should indications of belief in the teachings of organized religion also be scorned. There should be no legal "confidentiality" attached to communications between a person and a cult leader. Arguments using religion as a basis for PUBLIC POLICY should be dismissed and scorned, just as arguments using racist or sexist beliefs for public policy would be.

    It's rather ironic that there's far more rational support for racist and sexist beliefs than there have ever been for organized religion and yet racism and sexism now have little public support or legitimization while many people remain unwilling to acknowledge that organized religion is based on nothing more than a fairytale. Yet, you don't understand how banning public support and legitimization of this fairytale, a fairytale which is used to promote oppression and infringement of individual rights would be good for a rational society? You need more help than I can offer. People like you are the successors of those who suppported the racist beliefs that enabled the institution of slavery in America and the Holocaust in Nazi Germany. Hopefully, history will repeat itself and organized religion will be delegitimized even more than those racist beliefs.
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    Re: Religion should be banned from ALL SOCIETIES

    And an ignorant, intolerant loony liberal like you should be quite aware that freedom of religion is one of our most basic, most fundamental freedoms guaranteed to us under the United States Constituion (it's a pretty cool document - your should put away your hate literature and read it sometime).
    Well there we have it folks... PF1996 has just compared practicing religion to murder and child pornography.
    So you want to guarantee freedom for all by banning religion. Yeah that makes sense :rolleyes:

    Put away your hate literature and stop being such an intolerant bigot.
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    Re: Religion should be banned from ALL SOCIETIES

    Yeah, right, sure... I am sure that if you banned public worship, you would be perfectly content to let people worship in private homes....

    We both know that once you got public worship banned, your little gestapo would next be making sure people didn't worship in private either.

    Geez, we better throw away the Declaration of Independence and Constitution then... Here's a passage...

    "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed, by their Creator, with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness."

    Actually, wait... I can see why a liberal like yourself would hate the above... you hate property rights, you hate liberty and you hate the idea that all are equal under the law...
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