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    See that's the kind of stuff we don't get enough of on the main board. Count me among those who just took for granted that CJones was better than Vallano. Now its something to watch in TC and adds a little bit more depth at the DT position.

    But the bottom line is not whether Jones is better than Vallano or visa versa. Its whether either have the talent to be an impact starter in the NFL. We need to grab one of these in the draft
     
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    What they did last Year is only one Component of what to expect of them in the Future.

    I like Vellano as much as the next guy and more than most.

    I just consider Jones to have considerably more UpSide.

    We'll see, though. They were both thrown into the Fire with little warning. What they show this coming Year, with a full Spring & Summer to learn our System, will tell us a great deal about their Prospects.
     
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    OTOH, if Vellano is the better player, why was he the #3 DL at the end of the season, behind Jones and Siliga?

    My personal take is that all three—Jones, Siliga, and Vellano—can be valuable contributors in 2014.
     
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    Chris Jones had nothing left in the tank by season's end, but Vellano had nothing in the tank
    from the beginning. On multiple occasions after getting spun around on a running play, he
    would be shown on replay looking at the zebras for help instead of following the runner and
    trying to help make a tackle, for a change.

    I will be very, very, very disappointed if Vellano is on the Opening Day 53.
     
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    I'd just like to state for the record that it is a great pleasure to count myself among those of you who are giddy with happiness and joy and who are jacked that we re-upped Vince Wilfork!! :D [​IMG] :rocker:

    1 ~ There's no need to rub it in the face of anyone who was "assuming" we'd cut'm and then danced with bitter glee when they foolishly believed their assumptions confirmed. They made their own graves. :D

    2
    ~ OK. Maybe a little!! [​IMG]
     
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    You also nailed the contract terms. Well done ol' chap!
     
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    That is a Horrible times Infinity contract to which Bill stupidly signed Wilfork.
    Words cannot fully describe just how pissed-off I was the entire weekend, thanks to
    the 2 worst contracts signed during the entire free agency period.
    The Pats have officially committed 2014 suicide.
     
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    See you in 2015, then.
     
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    I'd just like to say: Woot, woot!! :D

    Dominique Easley was exactly #1 on my list of guys I wanted at #29 ~ and I don't believe I was the only one!! Congratulations to my Fellow Patriots Fanatics who prayed for Easley at #29!! :D

    ...And Congratulations to us all, for Mad Bill just seized a Top 10 Talent at #29!! :D
     
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    It was good to hear that James Amdrews performed the acl surgeries. I got a feeling he is going to be good as new. Big difference between tearing your acl in your early 20s rather than in your 30s and 40s for all the detractors.
     
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    As I said in the draft thread, Bill should've accepted Minnesota's offer of 40 & 108 for 29. Easley likely still would've been available, if not at 62 itself.
     
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    Your a hard poster to figure out sometimes. You have been lobbying for a pass rush and they deliver one to the team and your still not happy.

    Think about it. The Pats believed so strongly in his ability that they took him at 29 rather than trading back because they were afraid they would lose him. He must of really impressed at his workout and by all accounts was one of the top penetrating inside lineman in this draft. I'd be willing to bet this workout only reinforced the pick.

    Ideally yes, that trade would of made a lot of sense but IMO there are only a handful of DTs who can do what Donald and Easley can do and they got one of them. Looking back if they did trade back and lost out on Easley to another team I would of been disappointed. Ellis,Sutton and Kerr would of been possible considerations but no where near as high profile and explosive as Easley. They still may take a flyer on one of those 3 btw. I hope they do anyway.

    I'm guessing you are ok with the player, just not where he was selected?
     
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    My draft day pet peeve is the, "he'd still be available at pick ...." crowd. First off, there is no absolute way for anyone to know that. Typically before the draft, this crowd generally bashes draftniks and big boards then,post draft, flips the script and uses the same information to claim a player is a "reach ". Truly maddening.
     
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    So you don't believe the reports about the Seahawks wanting to take him at #32 ?
     
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    A very belated "Thank You", Brother Coach!! :D
     
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    Thanks, Brother John...And I couldn't agree more!!

    I would've been happy with a few other guys, but getting a guy like Easley, who can set a bomb off in the Offensive BackField on any given Play, offers, I believe, the greatest Impact.

    His disruptive, terrifying Presence makes all other Defenders ~ all 10 of them ~ far more Dangerous.
     
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    I'd just like to say for the record that I consider the Jimmy Garappolo Pick to've been a mistake.

    He Easons under Pressure a little too frequently for my taste.

    Even so: I believe there's something there.

    I was actually an early proponent of Jimmy G, and remain very fond of the lad.

    He Uses The Whole Pig, for one thing...and I'm absolutely crazy about that SlingShot Delivery.

    And he steps up in Big Games.

    But that Easoning under Pressure scares the crap out'f me.

    I love this kid...and believe he has the Potential to excel as a Field General at The Next Level.

    It's just that I perceive an enormous level of Risk attached to drafting'm...

    As such, I would've liked him far more in the 4th or 5th Round, or beyond.

    And there are many, many Prospects I would've preferred at #62.
     
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    I echo your thoughts completely OTG on Garappolo. He might actually be a very nice QB in the NFL, and 4 or 5 years from now I might be very happy the Pats drafted him in 2014. HOWEVER, we've already "wasted" a Friday pick for Ryan Mallett (who will likely never take a significant snap for the Pats and his lasting value might end up being a comp pick in 2016 who turns into a contributor). Now we've compounded THAT pick with one that's even higher. :mad:

    There were so many possible choices at #62 at LB, OL, TE, WR, etc who had a real chance to be a contributor in 2014 and a starter in 2015 and beyond. Instead we get a guy that barring injury, isn't going to contribute anything until 2017 or beyond. It makes no sense.

    I don't care if he was a good "value" at #62. You draft players who can make a contribution. As of now the biggest contribution Garappolo is going to make to the 2014, 2015, and 2016 Pats teams is playing the "athletic QB" on scout teams. THAT is NOT value for the 62nd pick in the draft.
     
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    I think the "he'd still be available at pick ...." crowd was pretty accurate regarding Tavon Wilson
     
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