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Asante Samuel or Tom Brady - Whose loss has made a bigger difference?

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  1. PATRIOTSFANINPA

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    Samuel or Brady? - Who,by not being on the team this year (by way of injury and FA obviously) has been the biggest difference between this team fighting for a playoff spot right now and a team that usually has some breathing room about this time of year?

    In september I would have easily said Brady was far and away the biggest loss but since Cassel has played MUCH better than expected and our secondary has played much worse without Asante and his skills I am leaning towards Asante being the bigger loss since no one opposite Hobbs could carry Asante's jock strap this year while Cassel has not been a world beater but admirable in his efforts.

    With that being said,I am more than excited to see #12 back next season but IMO his loss is second biggest now after seeing the trash we put out there at the 2nd corner spot now.

    So back to the question: Do you think losing Asante or Brady has made a potential bigger difference in losing games in 2008?
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    Brady, in a heartbeat, because Samuel wasn't the only loss, or necessarily even the worst, in the secondary (Rodney Harrison says hi on the second count, and Tank Williams and Terence Wheatley on the first).
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    Is there no limit to stupid threads ???

    Are you kidding me ?
  5. PATRIOTSFANINPA

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    Not really all that dumb as it appears IMO,Losing Brady sucked big time but the secondary is beyond weak

    Ask yourself this...Which is actually weaker RIGHT NOW? - The secondary or QB position? Is Cassel playing better in his role than say O'Neal,L. Sanders or the rookie Wilhite?

    Don't get me wrong,I would sell Cassel for a cup of Coffee if Brady were healthy but no one opposite Hobbs is worth an ounce of coffee
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    TOM BRADY. Do you have to ask?
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    I don't care which is weaker, comparing a good to very good CB to one of the top 3 QB of all time (IMO) is not comparison; and the PPG we're scoring show it despite Cassel's very solid performance.
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    TB this is not even a debate
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    It's also an 'unfair' question because the offense has been essentially just as healthy as it was last year, whereas the defense has been devestated, thus changing the equation.
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    That is one dumbassed question.
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    I second that :rolleyes:
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    Let's see our offense went from...

    2007: 36.9 points a game (1st in league)
    2008: 23.2 points a game (18th in league)

    Our pass defense (16th) is actually ranked higher than our offense this season.

    YOU GO FROM THE GREATEST OFFENSE IN NFL HISTORY, TO THE 18TH RANKED JUST THIS YEAR. Figure it out.
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    Come on man...it's Brady and this is a no brainer.
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    Let's trade Brady for Samuel! Am I doing this right?
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    I think it’s about time this thread gets thrown to the PS
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    You put Samuel in this defense and there isn't that much of an improvement. The CB position opposite of Hobbs isn't great at this point, but upgrading it wouldn't change much with the lack of pass rush or inability to defend TEs over the middle.

    You put in Brady and Moss becomes much more of an asset and teams fear the Pats' offense more. Cassel has done well, but other than two games I still feel that Brady could have done much, much better in situations. I don't think nearly as many drives that stalled in the red zone this year would have under Brady.

    An upgrade at CB cannot equal an upgrade at QB. Ever.
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    I agree.
    Now if the question was TB vs Randall Gay, why that would be a whole nother ball game or thread, whatever.
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    No - Some of you simply don't understand the question

    Pass to a simpler thread that you understand better

    This has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with Asante's value vs. Brady as a professional NFL player - THAT IS NOT CLOSE OR EVEN A CONVERSATION

    This has to do with value loss at THIER RESPECTIVE POSITION THIS YEAR and the replacements THIS YEAR - Not next year or the year after that, THIS year

    If you still don't understand the nature of the question I won't waste more time explaining it - Not worth it.
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    How about dumped to the trash?
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    There's a difference between "who's replacement is better?" and "who would have helped us win more games this season" which you're trying to combine for some reason.
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    I getcha. I vote for Brady, because Asante just hasn't played well this year. I don't know if it is laziness from getting his big contract, not fitting in with the Eagles defense, or a combination of the two.

    If Brady was here this year he might be trying to break his records from last year (especially the way the D has played) and we would probably be at around 10-3. If Asante was here I doubt we would be in much better shape than we are now, record wise or defense wise.
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    Apparantly not.

    Hey, since Brady is not the biggest loss, I say we keep Cassel and trade Brady. Hopefully, we can get at least a fourth rounder for him ;)
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    How is this even a question.

    With a healthy Brady, we've probably lost at most 1 or 2 games.

    I'm not sure having Asante would've made a difference of a single game in the W or L column.

    The fact of the matter is, our defense was doing just fine until Adalius Thomas went down.

    The real question in hindsight to me is if we should've shipped Asante out of town for some picks instead of playing him under the franchise tag. To which I say yes. He hasn't been all that great as it is in Philly, I think if it weren't for all the defensive injuries, and if Wheatley hadn't gone down, we probably wouldn't even notice Asante was gone.
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    Most of us still aint buying the snake oil you are selling :p

    Tom Brady...hands down. With Brady...the Patriots would have had a better chance to win the tougher games vs the elite teams (Colts and Pittsburg) not to mention winning for sure those Cassel's "growing pain" games (Dolphins and Chargers). The only lost I would call a push on was the Jets game.

    I know what yah sayin...basically O'neil etc al. couldnt fill Samuel's shoes and Cassel fills in fine for Brady...but common now...get real....
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    I'd like to see what Samuel would be able to do this year playing with this non-existant pass rush we have. Last year, Samuel was able to do his thing because we were second in the league in sacks. This year, we'd probably be comparing Samuel to Starks.
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    But what is NOT in your formula of what this team would be like with Asante getting the LARGE bucks and what rammifications that has..It's a DUMB thread..sorry..
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    I don't want to disrespect you or anyone else on this board, but comparing the relative worth of Brady and Samuel is like comparing the worth of Kevin Garnett and James Posey. The first is a sure-fire HOF who can make a difference in any game by himself and the other is a good clutch player who can contribute significantly to his team's success - but, is not an indispensible cog.
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    Unfortunately, most of us do understand the question... :eek:
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    "QB position" is one player. Secondary is multiple players. Thus, you can't compare a loss at the QB position to a loss in the secondary. It's comparing apples to oranges.
    That said, the secondary performance is far weaker than the QB performance....but that doesn't mean Asante was a bigger loss.
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