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  1. shmessy

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    No complaints about MacMullen, she's one of the best and is just doing her job and getting the scoop, but I can't believe Samuel is talking about this to the media the day before the playoffs.

    www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2007/01/07/payment_due

    The other unbelievable part is his clueless friend, Benny Sapp playing for Hermie Edwards (every player's best buddy who pays top dollar for our FA's, but turns in pathetic performances every year - all ya have to do is watch last night's game for the most recent example).
    _________
    "It would be a shame if he has to leave. Asante has fallen in love with the place. I know he'd rather stay, but he also knows it's business. They make that pretty clear up there. They just don't pay their players like other teams.

    "My question is, why wouldn't you pay a guy who has been consistent every year? This is his fourth season and he keeps getting better and better.

    "I don't know what's going on with the Patriots, but let me tell you this: Forget all that talk about the 'system.' The system doesn't make the player; the player makes the system. That's not why he's picked off all those balls."
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    Yeah, Benny, there's a problem with the NE system.......Herman Edwards, however is on the right track - - too funny.
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    I don't care about this. Let Samuels play in the playoffs like he deserves a big contract.

    I'll worry about his leaving in the off season. There is too much to think about right now.
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    I don't think he has been consistent. He has steadily improved every year and this year had a breakout year.

    Last year he was flagged for alot of PI calls.
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    EXACTLY.

    So why is he talking about this, in these terms, to the Boston Globe at this time?

    Shut up and play, Asante.
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    Franchise his ass....Patriots helped in no small way to make him what he is. He is coming across ungrateful.
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    They'll probably franchise Graham. The top 5 TE's don't make what the top 5 CB's make.

    Somehow (sarcasm) the Pats will find a way to survive without Asante Samuel.

    In the meantime, #22, shut up and play. Quit running to the media on the eve of the playoffs with your contract gripes.

    I have a problem anytime a player under contract starts complaining about the NEXT contract with the media. The issue is compounded when he does it the day before the playoffs start. That is the proverbial kick to the groin - - he knew what he was doing.
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    Get paid? LOL! He'll enjoy the Redskins.

    Guess that extra 1st round pick will come in handy. Maybe we'll hit with another 4th rounder.
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    I think intercepting 10 passes is a great achievement, but I would like to know the numbers concerning Samuel's other achievements:

    What percent of passes against him were completed?

    How many yards were gained by opponents by passing in his direction?

    How many touchdowns did he allow?

    How many tackles did he have and how many did he miss?

    My point is that there is a lot more to judging a cornerback than the number of interceptions he comes up with.

    Interceptions are certainly nice and very useful, but some of them are pure luck--the tips, the stupid passes from quarterbacks who can't tell which jersey color is there, etc. The interception number is suggestive, but not conclusive.

    In my opinion, if we look at Asante Samuels' body of work, his entire career, what we see is a capable although somewhat inconsistent CB, but not a superstar. The best thing we can say about him is that he's gotten better over time.

    So, I don't think we should do any financial acrobatics to retain him. Offer him what he's worth. And if he walks, there's no reason to go into mourning. We'll find a replacement. At this point in time, he is NOT a core member of the team.
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    My point: Is this guy even a "Patriot" for griping to the Boston Globe about his next contract THE DAY BEFORE THE PLAYOFFS START?

    For that alone, screw him.
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    Mainefan hit it on the head. The guy is good, but has had an up and down career to date.

    Do teams shy away from throwing his way? NO

    Is he a shut down? NO

    Is he a good young corner, benefitted by being on a good team? YES

    Samuel will get a bunch of cash from the Jets or Packers in the offseason and he will leave.

    I think the pats should extend Graham right away, then franchise Samuel and trade his rights. perhaps a #2 and a #4 from the Packers?
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    Terrible move by either the reporter of Assante for having this come out before the Pats play one of the biggest games of the yr... Stupid..
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    Agreed....having something like this come out now is in poor taste for Samuel and the globe imo. Nothing good can come out of releasing this now. Sounds like Assante had pretty much made up his mind...just hope he makes a few tackles today instead of trying to pick off every throw.
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    Well I think right now Id pay Daniel Graham over Assante, since he is all about the cash.. Good for him, and good for any player .. But this goes to show where is heart is today.. I just hope he plays a little better than he talks...
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    The Globe isn't part of the Patriots organization. It's not their job to supress a story because of loyalty to the Patriots. This is not the old Soviet Union and they are not supposed to be Pravda.

    That being said, Asante Samuel IS a Patriot employee and the hell with him for doing this.
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    I don't care whether he's playing for the money today or the win, this is one reason I think Belichick is fine having players reach free agency - you get their production in their contract year. Asante sees $$$ every time he picks off a pass - it's a win - win :)
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    I hope he goes to the Chiefs. He'll love Camp Herm Edwards. He loves to take it easy on the veterans. Lots of nice words.

    But don't expect to win in the playoffs. You could see the look in Ty Law's face yesterday. He was playing a hell of a game, but the coaching sucked.

    I'm starting to hate our players who complain about the Patriots' system. Players are great, but the talent level in the NFL is about the same across the board. It is the "system" that helps us win Super Bowls. At least respect it by not mouthing off to the Globe about "disrespect".
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    The funniest quote in the article was from Benny Sapp of the Chiefs. The timing of his quote appearing (I know he made it before yesterday's debacle) in the Globe today is priceless.

    Yeah, the Chiefs have the right system!
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    Point Blank: This is not good. If we're upset about it obviously his teammates and coaches are upset about it. This is a piss poor selfish move by Asante with the potential to mentally knock some of the players out of the game before it begins.
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    They're ALL about the cash. Football is a short lived career and you need to make what you can. Since asante has helped us win two superbowls and has had a break-out year I think Asante should go after the money, it's just his timing is off. Talking about stuff like this to the media before a big game is thoughtless and selfish. After it is all said and done, if you want to go after the money and the pats don't give it to you, then move on.

    We all know that the pats are going to try to get the most out of you for the least amount as possible. IT'S SMART BUSINESS. And by doing business that way they put players like Asante and Deion and vinateri in positions where they can go to other teams and get TOP DOLLAR. WTF are they mad about???
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    Bad timing for this, but I believe this was done on purpose from Samuel.
    Oh well, have a nice career somewhere else.
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    This situation is similar to Deion. Here we are again. A player OVERVALUING himself. Sure, Samuel had ten picks this year. But, does anyone remember last year? He was flagged often for interference and beaten badly ..very often. We were all *****ing and moaning about him on this board. Anyone remember the Denver playoff game? Hmmmm. He IS NOT a shut down corner. Teams do not shy away from him. Several of his picks were tips or were thrown right at him. Not to take anything away from the accomplishment, but reality says he is an average corner.

    Deion, on the other hand was under contract but got bad advice (probably from his agent). THE "system" here made him a better player than he was, (see his production in Seattle). Same is true for Samuel. Branch and now Samuel feel they needed/need to get paid for past accomplishments. Specifically one decent season and a great Super Bowl for Branch and a ten interception season (albeit some fortuitious tips, etc.) for Samuel. Anyone remember who was throwing Branch the ball in that Super Bowl?

    A majority of professional atheletes overvalue their skills and/or abilities. The Patriots should not give Samuel top dollar in the offseason. We know they won't and then we will hear the media cry that they are cheap and have no loyalty, blah, blah, blah. But, it will be a smart business decision for the Team. The correct course of action, in my opinion is to franchise him and trade him. We all know some of the big spenders will be willing to pay top dollar for 10 interceptions, without valuing the full body of his work.
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    Bye Bye Asante!
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    ha ha. I think the players and coaches are a lot smarter than some of us. Anyway, Asante isn't the savior of the Pats. It isn't like we will go 4-12 without him. We lost other players that were better at their positions than Asante is at his: Ted Washington, WMG, AV, The Twig, Chris Slade, Lawyer Milloy, Terry Glenn, the list goes on, and we still won the superbowls and not only finished this season 12-4, but few of us are staisfied even with that - with the talent on our team we all thought we should be 14-2 at least.

    It'll be a huge story, but no effect on the long-term conpetitiveness of the Patriots.

    Buried in the article is my favorite line always in contract negotiations:

    It would be a shame if he has to leave. Asante has fallen in love with the place. uttered by the appropriately named Benny Sapp.

    Benny, Asante only has to leave if they cut him. If they don't cut him and offer him a job, then if he leaves he is making a choice. Right choice or wrong choice, it doesn't matter really. But it is a choice they make. As I try to think, David Givens is the only guy who left that took responsibility for deciding to leave, saying he played a lot of years under a rookie minimum contract and wanted to make some money. You can respect that. More than the guys who try to say "I love NE. I wanted to stay. They made me leave."
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    i wanted to sign him before. the timing of this is unacceptable. he's fallen in love with n.e.? tough. get out.
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    What I don't understand is why the Pats and Asante's agent are talking this close to the playoffs? I thought it was a given that talks are suspended during this time for just this distraction effect? Unless this happened awhile ago and 'Sante's just bringing it up now for greater reaction? That seems to make the most sense to me and frankly, lessens Samuels in my eyes. Just be professional, don't use the media so blatantly to gain some leverage with your negotiations, it never works with the Pats!!!
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    I'm pulling out my violin for you Asante.
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    I wonder if Maroney will take the vacated #22 next year.
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    Not reading that until after the game. Don't want any distractions. Really unfortunate if Samuel is already worrying about himself getting paid. Worry about the game.
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    Relax. The team that picked him in the 4th round is intact. And they have plenty of picks and dough.

    Let him be a stat whore elsewhere, I've enjoyed his tenure as a team player here.
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    I see this as more the reporter than Asante. The article is 6 pages long, and there are a TOTAL of 3 quotes from him regarding his contract. Why did the reporter lead with that? To sell the article. They could of put the contract negotiations at the end of the article and lead with his HS experiences.

    Why did the article get names "Payment Due"? Why not something else?

    You all are jumping all over Asante as if he ran to this reporter and whined about his contract....does anyone know that for sure? It was a wide ranging interview, and at ONE POINT in the interview, the contract status got brought up, and he made those quotes.

    This is the media gentlemen. Its not there job to soothe your hurt feelings that our great Patriots have again low balled a player up for contract renewal.

    Grow up. If anything, BB and Pioli have said over and over again...its business!!!!!

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