Welcome to PatsFans.com

Artrell Hawkins..the real deal?

Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by skri65, Dec 21, 2005.

  1. skri65

    skri65 Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2005
    Messages:
    1,344
    Likes Received:
    1
    Ratings:
    +1 / 0 / -0

    Can he provide the stability we need in the secondary. Given, he's no rodney, but can he limit the big plays and show veteran leadership? More so than stone?
     
  2. bostonbuzz

    bostonbuzz Practice Squad Player

    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2004
    Messages:
    116
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    I'd say from what I've seen...yes.
     
  3. Ochmed Jones

    Ochmed Jones Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2004
    Messages:
    5,879
    Likes Received:
    25
    Ratings:
    +67 / 4 / -1

    #12 Jersey

    He's getting better each time I see him play. He'll never be the hitter or tackler that Rodney is, but his speed and coverage are better than Rodney's. It also looks like he's not blowing many assignments either. Stone has at least 1 lapse per game. I think Hawkins has helped stabilize a bad mess bad there. With two more games to go before the playoffs, I'm hoping he continues to improve while not breaking down like most of the others before him did.
     
  4. Arizona Patsfan

    Arizona Patsfan Rookie

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2005
    Messages:
    48
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    Virtual Rodney

    Two complemantary players Stone on runs and Hawk on passes, melding to make a situation sub, and a virtual Rodney!
     
  5. skri65

    skri65 Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2005
    Messages:
    1,344
    Likes Received:
    1
    Ratings:
    +1 / 0 / -0

    I"d rate our SS's coverage ability more important than his run support. We have shown we can already stop the run. We have too much inexperience in our secondary, and if Hawkins coverage is good enough to not give up the big play and good enough to maybe force an incompletion or two each game, I'd be a very happy man. Similalry, we'd all be very happy fans.
     
    Last edited: Dec 21, 2005
  6. ilduce06410

    ilduce06410 Third String But Playing on Special Teams

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2005
    Messages:
    897
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    SS in coverage?

    IMHO BB likes his SSs to be hitters.
    but that's with a secondary that plays the way BB's scheme is supposed to work.
    with hank poteat and ellis hobbs out there at CB, it seems to me the SS has to be used more in coverage.
    but yeah, i really want hawkins to succeed. we need him bad.
    looks like he was well thought of everywhere he's been -- he certainly spent time on the field. wonder what happened?
    wonder if corey put in a word?
     
  7. Box_O_Rocks

    Box_O_Rocks PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2005
    Messages:
    20,544
    Likes Received:
    25
    Ratings:
    +25 / 0 / -0

    A quibble, I'd say Stone stabilized it and Hawkins has begun the upgrade, but spot on analysis.
     
  8. Flying Fungi

    Flying Fungi In the Starting Line-Up

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2004
    Messages:
    2,415
    Likes Received:
    2
    Ratings:
    +2 / 0 / -0

    Am I right in seeing Stone more on ST, Hawkins more in the backfield and Sanders edging out Stone for snaps?
     
  9. T-ShirtDynasty

    T-ShirtDynasty Moderator

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2005
    Messages:
    3,545
    Likes Received:
    8
    Ratings:
    +8 / 0 / -0

    Agreed, and while at first I thought Stone had an edge in run-support, I'm not so sure anymore. Not that I think Stone regressed, rather the Hawk has either progressed or I underestimated him because of the size.
     
    Last edited: Dec 21, 2005
  10. PatsWickedPissah

    PatsWickedPissah PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2005
    Messages:
    24,176
    Likes Received:
    850
    Ratings:
    +2,484 / 22 / -15

    Disable Jersey

    You're right. I like both guys.
     
  11. Box_O_Rocks

    Box_O_Rocks PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2005
    Messages:
    20,544
    Likes Received:
    25
    Ratings:
    +25 / 0 / -0

    Hawkins speed and playing experience has him beating out Stone at SS, he apparently is learning the defense easily and has done well the past two games at SS. Stone had to go back in against KC when Hawkins started, but Stone seems to be the number two SS now. Sanders may be fine next year, but for now he's the dime S and STs.
     
  12. PatsWickedPissah

    PatsWickedPissah PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2005
    Messages:
    24,176
    Likes Received:
    850
    Ratings:
    +2,484 / 22 / -15

    Disable Jersey

    Spot on. Stone has the desire and the physical metrics but has yet to learn to apply them to the position. Too Bad. Unless we get a pick that enables us to grab a really talented kid, I like The Hawk and The Rock in '06 better than drafting guys like we've done the last couple seasons.
     
    Last edited: Dec 21, 2005
  13. Brady#12

    Brady#12 On the Game Day Roster

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2005
    Messages:
    338
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    he's no Rodeny Harrison...................nut he seems to be helping out alot since the time we lost Harrison
     
  14. tombonneau

    tombonneau In the Starting Line-Up

    Joined:
    May 27, 2005
    Messages:
    3,204
    Likes Received:
    5
    Ratings:
    +10 / 0 / -0

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Sanders started last week vs. TB??
     
  15. oldrover

    oldrover Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2005
    Messages:
    1,436
    Likes Received:
    243
    Ratings:
    +707 / 3 / -5

    #50 Jersey

    Think about the 2006 secondary...

    CB: G@y, Samuel, Hawkins, Hobbs

    S: Harrison (being very optimistic here), Sanders, Stone, Scott, Wilson

    That's a good group, and except for Rodney, they're all young guys too.
     
  16. Box_O_Rocks

    Box_O_Rocks PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2005
    Messages:
    20,544
    Likes Received:
    25
    Ratings:
    +25 / 0 / -0

    Only as a Faux graphic.
     
  17. tombonneau

    tombonneau In the Starting Line-Up

    Joined:
    May 27, 2005
    Messages:
    3,204
    Likes Received:
    5
    Ratings:
    +10 / 0 / -0

    I wouldn't mind adding Ty Law into that mix.....
     
  18. PatsSteve1

    PatsSteve1 In the Starting Line-Up

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2004
    Messages:
    2,795
    Likes Received:
    1
    Ratings:
    +1 / 0 / -0

    Hawkins has done the best at SS of the Rodney replacements, IMO. What I'd really like to see, since they are on the same side of the field, is he and Samuel jell together to the point Assante trusts he'll be there deep for him so he'll play closer to his man on shorter routes. Assante now is backing off the WR pre snap to be sure he's not beaten deep.
     
  19. emoney_33

    emoney_33 Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2005
    Messages:
    5,193
    Likes Received:
    8
    Ratings:
    +8 / 0 / -0


    Samuel has been doing that virtually all year. I wonder if he's been told to play loose or if he's just doing that for fear of the long ball himself...
     
  20. SoonerPatriot

    SoonerPatriot In the Starting Line-Up

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2004
    Messages:
    3,318
    Likes Received:
    1
    Ratings:
    +1 / 0 / -0

    Uhhhh...let's not get carried away here. Those guys are playing pretty well, but adding some DBs has got to be a priority in the offseason either through the draft or in free-agency.
     

Share This Page

unset ($sidebar_block_show); ?>