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  1. fleabassist1

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    #12 Jersey

    http://www.newswithviews.com/Wooldridge/frosty306.htm

    "They (illegal aliens) pay rent, buy groceries, buy clothes...what happens to your country's economy if 20 million people go away?"

    That's a good question – it deserves an answer. Over 80 percent of Americans demand secured borders and illegal migration stopped. But what would happen if all 20 million or more vacated America? The answers may surprise you!
     
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    honestly, what would a person like you advocate, Trail of Tears-ing them back to Mexico?...

    the forced removal and transfer of that many human beings from our country would lead to a logistical nightmare and a humanitarian disaster on a scale you don't seem able or willing to imagine...
     
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    One of the most biased article ever read with nothing to back it up..

    OTOH who would pick the grapes and apples
    who would clean the hotel rooms
    who would work at the fast food chains
    who would clean up NOLA
    who would mow the lawns.

    Say what you will, but illegal immigration will continue as long as there is a market for cheap labor and the US is addicted to cheap labor.
     
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    What if 20 million illegals vacated the United States of America?

    What did we do before they were here?

    If they left the market would adjust and life would go on.
     
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    That's a stupid article. It's simply a political diatribe that doesn't seriously analyze the economic consequences of losing tens of thousands of people. All of those people buy stuff and they just buy from each other. Our housing crisis would worsen, tens of thousands of jobs would be eliminated, manufacturers would have to cutback their factories, there would be massive layoffs in government, etc. If all the illegal immigrants left, the rice of labor and goods would go up and create inflation. The oversupply of housing would reduce housing costs dramatically and either areas would become desolate or become filled by other poor people. If we ever wanted to get rid of illegals, I think it would have to phased in over a fairly long period.
     
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    The only sensible solution is to secure the border for real and wait for the illegals to die of old age.
     
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    Face it and Live With It, America is changing, Over The Rainbow, The Easter Parade, Down By The Old Mill Stream, A Picnic In The Park, Mom's Apple Pie, God Bless America, God & Jesus, The Ole Swimmin Hole, Santa Claus and a walk through Central Park on a hot summer night, IT'S ALL OVER.

    Now you have, bars on your window, drugged up gangster sports hero's, 12 million illegal alien criminals running all over the country, young minority people slaughtering each other on America's streets, millions of kids that don't know who their fathers are even these kids Mothers don't know who their fathers are, by the time your daughter gets married she has had sex with about 50 different guys, Sex Perverts and Murderers are now Celebrity Heros in todays media, Female reporters have orgasms while interviewing them (Greta, Rita Cosby & Katie) you now take your life in your hands if you walk down to the corner store after dark.

    Now get this, one of the most dangerous jobs in America today is working in a little Mom & Pop grocery store after dark, this is your new Left Wing Socialist Progressive Liberal America.

    Hugo Chavez is still a fairly young man, you may live to see him as Your President someday.
    :bricks:
     
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    #75 Jersey

    You're right...that's about all we can do at this point thanks to the idiotic policies from Carter to Bush the Dense...Especially Bush the Sneaky and Clinton with their NAFTA treason.
     
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    #75 Jersey

    ...and that's just MAINE!:eek: :woohoo:
     
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    I know, Imagine what's going on in Vermont :rocker:
     
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    There is no way to completely seal the border, as long as being here is a better deal than whatever 3rd world craphole they're from they'll try to sneak in and a certain amount will be successful.

    The best way to approach the situation is as follows:

    - Require PROOF of legal status before any Federal or State benefit is doled out.

    - Require that the employers verify, via the Feds, the SSN of the employee and cross reference it with the name and date of birth. If someone is scamming the system the employer know has knowledge of it and can be charged.

    - Revise our own immigration laws away from family reunification being given priority to skills they can bring to the table. We should be trying to bring in the best and brightest who can add more the most to our economy, a surgeon who has a job waiting for him that pays 800k/yr should go to the head of the line.

    - Majorly cut back on the doles we pay out to citizens. Why should Americans clean toilets if we pay them to sit at home and watch Jerry Springer? Cut off the gravy train and they'll need to actually work for a change, suddenly the idea of cleaning a hotel room won't seem so degrading if you actually need the money.

    I might think of some more later on but that's a good start.
     
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    The people who spew that diarea about some mass deportation are are fear mongerers who know nothing of the sort would ever have to take place. The bottom line is that you seal the border, and ENFORCE the laws currently on the books. As time passes, you will weed out the invaders that are here. Some will go home when they can't find work, others will gradually work their way into the system. The idea that some mass deportation would take place is idiotic.

    As for the effects of 20 million illegals leaving, it'd be a bonanza for every tax paying citizen. Gone would be the subsidy each of us pay when companies hire illegals. Also, there wouldn't be a log jam on the local hospital. fewer drunk drivers killing our citizens, and less pedophiles raping our kids. Cities and towns could actually provide for the people who pay taxes. More cops per resident, and fewer pupils per classroom.
     
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    Out of curiosity do you have any reliable stats that can validate this argument or is it just anecdotal stuff??
     
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    Are you serious?
     
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    Would not ask it if I was not, is there any reliable information or is this just anecdotal information?? Or is this just another right wing talking point??
     
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    No, it's just good ole fashioned common sense by anyone intelligent enough to follow the news.
     
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    So if Fox, Rush, Savage and Hannity say it no need to check it out.. what a bunch of fools.. just follow what they say, don't question.
     
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    http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55032

    Sex-offender stings get thousands of illegals

    Experts still concerned U.S. children could become prey to repeat offenders

    Posted: January 9, 2007
    1:00 a.m. Eastern
    By Chelsea Schilling
    © 2007 WorldNetDaily.com

    More than 9,000 sex offenders have been arrested by Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials through a series of stings called Operation Predator in three years of operation, a 2006 Department of Homeland Security Report says. But some experts are wondering if the efforts are enough to protect innocent American children from being preyed on by returning criminal alien sex offenders.

    Foreign nationals account for roughly 85 percent of child sex offenders arrested by the operation, which was launched by Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge in July 2003, officials say. And as WND previously has reported, authorities also have linked illegal aliens to a wave of gang-rapes across the U.S.


    http://hecubus.wordpress.com/2007/01/10/illegal-alien-child-molesters-love-american-children/


    Introduction:
    After conducting a 12 month in-depth study of illegal immigrants who committed sex crimes and murders for the time period of January 1999 through April 2006 , it is clear that the U.S. public faces a dangerous threat from sex predators who cross the U.S. borders illegally.

    There were 1500 cases analyzed in depth. They included: serial rapes, serial murders, sexual homicides, and child molestation committed by illegal immigrants. Police reports, public records, interviews with police, and media accounts were all included. Offenders were located in 36 states, but it is clear, that the most of the offenders were located in states with the highest numbers of illegal immigrants. California was number one, followed by Texas, Arizona, New Jersey, New York, and Florida.

    Based on population numbers of 12,000,000 illegal immigrants and the fact that young males make up more of this population than the general U.S. population, sex offenders in the illegal immigrant group make up a higher percentage. When examining ICE reports and public records, it is consistent to find sex offenders comprising 2% of illegals apprehended. Based on this 2% figure, which is conservative, there are approximately 240,000 illegal immigrant sex offenders in the United States.

    This translates to 93 sex offenders and 12 serial sexual offenders coming across U.S. borders illegally per day. The 1500 offenders in this study had a total of 5,999 victims. Each sex offender averaged 4 victims. This places the estimate for victimization numbers around 960,000 for the 88 months examined in this study.

    Victims:
    Of the 1500 cases reviewed, 525 (35%) were child molestations, 358 (24%) were rapes, and 617 (41%) were sexual homicides and serial murders. Of the child molestations, 47% of the victims were Hispanic, 36% were Caucasian, 8% were Asian, 6% were African American, and 3% were other nationalities. In most instances, the offenders were familiar with their victims. In fact, 82% of the victims were known to their attackers. The other 18% were molested by strangers. In those instances, the illegal immigrants typically gained access to the victims after having worked as a day laborer at or near the victims’ homes. Victims ranged in age from 1 year old to 13 years old, with the average age being 6.

    http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/27938.html

    • In Los Angeles, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide (which total 1,200 to 1,500) target illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) are for illegal aliens.

    http://www.city-journal.org/html/14_1_the_illegal_alien.html


    Fortunately, a number of congressmen requested that the General Accountability Office (GAO) investigate and report information on criminal aliens incarcerated in federal and state prisons and local jails. The resulting GAO report, published in April 2005, revealed that illegal aliens make up 27% of the prison population. (The oft-cited figure of 12 million illegal aliens in the country means that they make up just 4% of the general population.)

    http://www.jbs.org/node/4840
     
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    So you consider Worldnet, John Birch and the conservative daily credible evidence, are not there any gov't statistics on crime and incarceration of illegal aliens, the gov't keeps stats on just about everything, go to the source, not places where it is interpreted based on hearsay info.. all of this is anecdotal information from right wing sources you have to do better than this, it is all talking points.

    I do not know where I stand on illegal immigration, but I do know where I stand on bs stuff written by biased sources... you have provided nothing but right wing articles..
     
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    INS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigrants

    2006 (First Quarter) INS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigrants

    CRIME STATISTICS 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.

    83% of warrants for murder in Phoenix are for illegal aliens.

    86% of warrants for murder in Albuquerque are for illegal aliens.

    75% of those on the most wanted list in Los Angeles, Phoenix and Albuquerque are illegal aliens.

    24.9% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally

    40.1% of all inmates in Arizona detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally

    48.2% of all inmates in New Mexico detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally

    29% (630,000) convicted illegal alien felons fill our state and federal prisons at a cost of $1.6 billion annually

    53% plus of all investigated burglaries reported in California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona and Texas are perpetrated by illegal aliens.

    50% plus of all gang members in Los Angeles are illegal aliens from south of the border.

    71% plus of all apprehended cars stolen in 2005 in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada and California were stolen by Illegal aliens or “transport coyotes".

    47% of cited/stopped drivers in California have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 47%, 92% are illegal aliens.

    63% of cited/stopped drivers in Arizona have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 63%, 97% are illegal aliens

    66% of cited/stopped drivers in New Mexico have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 66% 98% are illegal aliens.

    BIRTH STATISTICS 380,000 plus “anchor babies” were born in the U.S. in 2005 to illegal alien parents, making 380,000 babies automatically U.S.citizens.

    97.2% of all costs incurred from those births were paid by the American taxpayers.

    66% plus of all births in California are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by taxpayers

    http://www.immigrationcounters.com/
     

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