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    Don't shoot the messenger. This guy breaks down each significant play by Randy in the Rams game and decides to ascribe psychological meaning to some of them. :rolleyes:

    Every Play Counts: New England Patriots' Randy Moss Still Great When He Wants to Be - NFL FanHouse

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    I'm not even sure I've heard of the site until today. Apologies if I'm posting from a despised source guys.
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    Based on a lot of threads I've read this season, there are a lot of posters on this board who would agree with those statements.
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    Based upon the Patriots players getting a "gut check" speech from Belichick not too long ago, there are likely coaches who'd agree with those statements in some form, as well.
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    i would agree with some of that...

    randy, u have to fight for the ball...i dont know about the rest of the things, but the ball isnt gonan be in the perfect spot every time...

    cassel isnt brady, go out there and help him out...many recievers can be doing what u are doing for us right now...

    u have to do what other cant, thats why we have YOU
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    Oh boy the quote without context
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    Not sure on this blocking thing.

    When did 6'5", slender receivers need to become road graders?

    I also don't buy the "play when I want to play" thing. Taller guys always look like they are in slower motion. Also, RM is the type of receiver who needs the all world QB to get maximum output.
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    IMO, the answer to this question lies in understanding the difference between when he "wants to" and when he "needs to." According to none other than TB, that's what actually counts.

    Here's what Tommy said regarding Randy's effort during games...

    "We had 54 pass attempts in a game, and you go out and tell a world-class sprinter to run 50, 50-yard dashes, the idea is 'you better have it when you need it.' And Randy is a smart player and he knows when he needs it." You can read the full transcript of Brady's comments here.
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    That "I play when I want to play" is out of context.

    He was asked if he drew inspiration to play well from his teammates (or something of the like). His response was "no, I get all the inspiration I need from myself", and "I play when I want to play" was part of that response.

    Now, nobody ever accused the guy of being overly articulate. You usually need to hear/see him talk to get a read on what he is saying. Moss says plenty that can be taken out of context all the time.
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    Know what I notice about these kinds of articles, they never compare Moss to other WRs in the league.
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    While I don't view Moss as a cancer or not carrying about the team or slacking.
    I do think that right after Brady went down Moss's attitude changed. Moss went into the season with hopes of getting a ring and leading the league in TD receptions. When Brady went down, so did Moss's dreams. Many on this board and many in the media thought Cassel didn't have "it." Moss may very well have shared the views of the majority of poster on this board that a Brady injury meant no playoffs.

    In contrast, I think Wes Welker like BB and minority of us on the board believed in Matt from day one and in training camp.

    The reality is most players work harder if they believe they can be successful than if they view the season lost. It should come to no ones surprise there is more energy in the Titans locker room than the Lions.

    A completed pass requires more than a good QB and a good WR. It requires a chemistry between the receiver and the QB. I think Wes and Matt had that chemistry since before the season to a much greater degree than Matt and Randy.

    Like many on this board, I think Randy is starting to believe more and more in Matt. Which improves the chemistry and both players success.
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    I disagree 100% with all this Moss micro-analysis. Pure and utter crap IMO.
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    I think Tom assessed it correctly - no receiver gives 110% on every play when they are on the field for basically every play nor should they reasonably be expected to. Thing with Randy this season is he hasn't mustered it consistently when it was needed including on several plays when his number was called by a team striving to save its season in transition from a HOF QB to a backup who had never started a game becoming it's starter...

    Last season it was there consistently for the first 12 weeks, after that not so much. Why is something we don't know and many here prefer not to ponder. Maybe he was injured or simply wore down. Maybe this season he planned to pace himself better. Maybe while saying all the right things he has subconsciously struggled with the loss of Brady. But something is different. Nobody is accusing him of being a malcontent or slacker, but people are noticing a difference in consistency - that's all. And the truth is this QB and team needs him to be consistent moreso than the other one did...
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    MO, the answer could be... he's not perfect. I mean yea he's the best, but that doesn't mean we should expect him to come up with the ball 100% of the time. Hell the greatest hitter ever in baseball failed 60% of the time.

    Last year there wasn't as much focus on Moss early on, there wasn't as many DBs making really good plays, there wasn't a young QB trying to learn, there weren't as many inaccurate throws. I mean aside from the drop in the last game in the endzone, he hasn't really been at fault for the unsuccessful attempts. No one is accusing Welker of ANYTHING but he dropped an easy catch and fell down without contact last game.

    If Moss didn't carry the reputation he has, this would not be an issue at all IMO.
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    I'm sorry, but this is just nonsense. I don't give a damn what Moss' reputation is. I do care, however that he's not making catches that he could, and should, be making. Moss also got Welker lit up in the last game because he half-assed a blocking attempt. Welker may have dropped a pass, but he's busting his ass on blocks, and he's playing special teams.

    You can keep making excuses for Moss, but the reality is that Belichick had to have a talk with the team about their attitude/play post-Brady, and I didn't hear anything about the meeting involving everyone except Moss.

    A partial list of Patriots' personnel who've been called out on this message board this season:

    Players

    Seymour
    Cassel
    Light
    Kaczur
    Yates
    Koppen
    Mankins
    Maroney
    Seymour
    Bruschi
    Vrabel
    Thomas
    Harrison
    Hobbs
    O'Neal
    Sanders
    Hanson

    Coaches:

    Pees
    McDaniels
    Belichick

    Moss isn't above being on that list by any reasonable stretch of the imagination.
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    My bad, because the TV showed you one or two blocks that Moss didn't handle well (and he's never been a great blocker) that means only Welker busts his butt.


    Yea TEAM... doesn't mean Moss. But keep thinking that meeting was Moss-specific as you seem to hint-at at least twice on this board so far.



    So because THIS MESSAGEBOARD calls a player out it means it's justifiable? LOL If this MB decided things, we wouldn't even have a team, everyone would be traded/fired.


    Oh but Welker, Faulk, Gaffney, Morris, etc... are above reproach. Turn Morris into Moss on the play Brady got injured and I guarantee everyone blames Moss for Brady's injury.

    Moss' reputation and unfair expectations 100% play a large role in his criticism here and elsewhere. I never said Moss has played perfectly nor have I said he shouldn't be working on things (everyone should be). But to single him out for crap like this is ridiculous. He hasn't played nearly as poorly as some believe. But let's forget about the other guys getting paid and demand Moss make highlight reel catches anytime the ball is in his vicinity. I mean Jerry Rice never made a mistake either ya know. Reggie Wayne and Marvin Harrison don't drop balls or have good plays against them!



    But I guess calling out the team means calling out Moss :rolleyes:
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    Feel free to show me the the film convincing me that Welker has half-assed his blocking, dropped multiple passes and taken multiple plays off, in multiple games. I've seen Moss do that this year. I haven't seen Welker doing the same thing.

    I hinted no such thing.

    Never mind my response...Did you even read your own post? Your comment was

    I pointed out a slew of players who don't have Moss' reputation and have been called out. At least read the posts before writing silliness like this.

    Actually, people did criticize Morris for that. As I pointed out when I made the list, it was a PARTIAL list.

    Randy Moss has dropped, or failed to come down with, multiple passes that he should have made the play on, in multiple games. You may not like to hear that about your binkie, but it's just the way it is. His lousy play in San Diego played no small part in the team's loss, and his failures in the Rams game could have cost the team a win. He's considered the best receiver in the game by many here, including myself. With such a lofty status comes higher standards. Frankly, I don't know when catching the ball when the pass is catchable became too much to ask of Randy Moss in your eyes, but it'll always be high on my list for my favorite team's #1 receiver.
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