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  1. jmt57

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    In one of the draft threads PatsFaninME suggested that Belichick may draft a safety next spring with the intent of replacing Brandon Meriweather. Here was my response:

    If we are to assume BB does trade Meriweather, what about moving Arrington to safety? With Bodden and Wilhite returning, along with (hopefully) more development by Butler, he may not see much of any playing time at corner. If he could make the switch to safety then the Pats could focus on other positions in the draft. I know you would prefer someone bigger at safety, but look at his play on special teams; that's what one would expect from a safety, not a cornerback.


    Anyways, the suggestion was that the concept of moving Arrington to safety deserved its own thread. Anybody have any thoughts on that idea?
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    I'd rather not have a guy on the Pats challenge Jim Leonhard for shortest safety in the NFL.
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    When I think of Free Safety I'm looking for a disciplined ballhawk with great range, great open field tackling, great against the run, and great play diagnosis skills. Arrington falls a little short as a ballhawk, and I'm not sure how he is diagnosing plays, but he'd have decent range and he's a good tackler and good against the run.

    I'm more inclined to see NE look at one or more big CBs in the draft who have demonstrated good ball skills, good tackling, and McCourty's ability to watch film and absorb an offense's tendencies. Or they could try to move Bodden to FS and leave Arrington at RCB if they don't retain Meriweather or arrange a trade deal after there's a new CBA.
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    meri is still here next year, so that he can lessen the drawbacks of the new guy, whoever he might be while learning to play safety
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    His size and the style of his play is compatible with Ed Reed..not saying he has the skill set but the idea of him Chung patrolling the secondary is quite appealing Plus cb is deep in this draft..think jenkins or harris ..I like Bodden coming back but I want that postion to be stocked and having butler as the slot cb might be the best fit
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    Much better option, in my opinion. He's a full 4 inches taller,is more experienced, and has shown more ball-hawking ability.
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    I'm not really sure why we'd want to replace Meriweather. Aside from the absolutely dreadful angle that he took the other night, he's played solid for us this season. He's come up with a few turnovers and has laid the wood on opposing receivers over the middle. He's also assisted in run support and is not a liability in coverage. Why would we want to replace him with Arrington?
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    I'm still not convinced that Stomper can't be redeemed, that Picture Perfect Pick on Sunday Night not withstanding...In fact, I think he's gone a long way towards justifying my earlier advocacy of him, as Brother Contra so aptly describes it. Even so, just for the sake of discussion...

    I wonder what we could get for'm?? :D

    Tebucky Jones got us the equivalent of a 3rd, a 5th, and a 7th from the Saints in 2003: a 3rd and a 7th plus a 2004 4th...And he didn't make any Pro Bowls, that I recall.

    I love Arrington, but I don't see him as a starting Safety.

    I am vehemently against going Secondary in the 1st Round of next year's Draft, considering the Weaponry likely to be available for the Front 7, who I believe offer substantially greater potential Impact...so I'm not a fan of drafting Amukamara...But there are some intriguing possibilities, just the same, particularly among the Junior Class.

    Tyler Sash, should he declare, would be a flat out DREAM.

    Wouldn't it be something if we could trade Stomper for a 2nd Rounder and change?? And then draft a replacement for him with that very pick: One who VASTLY outperforms him and teams up with Pat Chung to forge an EPIC Safety tandem for the balance of a long, glorious decade. :cool:

    THAT...to quote Brother ButtHead, Patron Saint of Things That Don't Suck...would be cool. :rocker:
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    Well, he's demonstrated a tendency towards inconsistency with the incident you described as one of several instances. He also appears to struggle getting the secondary lined up, which may be his greater sin.

    The more important question is what happens to him after 2011 when he's a free agent? Both Meriweather and Chung required a year before they saw any steady playing time, if NE is put into the position of replacing Meriweather it doesn't hurt to start thinking about it for this draft class. Arrington, as some have suggested, isn't a great fit for the role, but Bodden would be ideal. I'd love to see the NE secondary in a couple more seasons if they can find the right player or Meriweather cleans up his game - Law and Harrison used to confuse teams by changing up the coverage, Bodden and McCourty both appear capable of executing those kind of games if the right Safety(s) develop.
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    I don't get it either. The GB game wasn't the first time we had defensive players run into each other. People just love hating on Meriweather more than anyone else it seems. I understand being critical or discussing his flaws, but why are people starting to assume he's good as gone already?
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    I agree, we know he is a flake and has brain cramps, but overall he does a very good job... he is also under contract.

    Also think Arrington has done admirably at corner.. much better than expected.
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    I don't think Arrington is big enough to be your average safety, but he is very physical and a sound tackler, and very good in run support.

    Chung has been very solid but struggles in coverage, as most safeties do. Arrington could perhaps play nickel, as we've often had a third safety out there over a third CB. Then again, that might have to do with the CB depth chart being a bit weak with Bodden's injury.

    But I don't think Arrington could be a Meriweather replacement.
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    Merriweather has pro-bowl physical skills, but it's troubling that he still is not mastering the mental aspect of the game and assimilating into the "Patriot way". Someone in another thread described him best IMO as the LoMo of the defense. I'm sure the Pats would resign Merriweather at a team friendly deal, but I think those of us who assume he's gone feel that it is likely other teams are going to be more willing to overlook his mental short-comings and place a higher value on him.
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    Yea that was me who compared him to LoMo. I don't know if I am right, but there just seem to be a few parallels b/t/w the two players.

    -Both highly skilled
    -Both show flashes of brilliance
    -Good guys and BB likes them
    -Seem to be stubborn and set in their ways
    -There just seems to be something "off"

    Granted BM has stayed healthy so that a big difference.
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    Funny.... I thought this a couple games back but was too afraid to post or suggest this lol :p
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    Merriweather is not a good tackler and often whiffs on the potential big hits - a liability on this defense.

    He plays his own game which is why I agree with the earlier statement that he is the LoMo of this defense.
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    Arrington is a fine special teamer, so good that he has a roster spot as a special teamer.

    Arrington has surprised most and has been an adequate corner. He is learning and will likely get better as a corner.This gives Arrington a solid role as a backup corner. With Bodden back, he will certainly be given the chance to compete at nickel and dime. In any case, he will be the backup to Bodden and McCourty.

    There is exactly zero reason to try to teach him a new position and hope that he will succeed. Why safety? Why not OLB? If we need a safety, we should draft or sign a safety or two. If we need an OLB, we draft or sign an OLB or two. Meanwhile, Arrington can continue to be valuable as a corner.
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    MW's not getting traded or released. We have one more year with him and with no CBA, players can't be traded.. And while I don't see the season starting late, I dont' see the CBA being signed until after the draft.
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    Simple knee-jerk reactions on an otherwise promising future for the youngest "D" in the NFL. Meriweather is definitely not the brightest bulb on the X-mas tree, but he has been good at times and decent most of the times when playing. He has not been a malcontent yet and if anything needs a few more years to mature. Also, I still feel like the Pats need to use one of their top 6 picks on a safety. They get banged up so much, you can almost always count on someone going down. I love the way Chung plays, which only makes me that much more worried about it. (i.e. Bob Sanders)
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    The Pats need to draft another CB or two. You can never have enough CBs in this defense. Beyond Bodden, McDroy and Arrington, the cupboards are bare.

    Hope is not a plan and Wilhite and Butler both suck. Both have dropped to the bottom of the depth chart. Weve seen what the NE pass D looks like with Jonathan Wilhite manning one CB position.

    Furthermore, Bodden will be 30 next season returning from injury and there is no gaurantee that he will will return to 2009 form, new 5 year contract or not. Also, theres no better time to draft and groom Boddens replacement.
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    Apparently, for many there is a critical need for an upgrade our #4 and #5 corners. Folks seem fine with McCourty, Bodden and Apprington, although some want to make Arrington a safety.

    For me, we are all set with Bodden, McCourty and Arrington. Butler and Wilhite are probably as good as most #4 and #5 corners. Folks consider tham failures because thaey are not shut down, all-pro starters. WE DON'T NEED THEM TO BE STARTERS! We have two starters and a backup for 2011. We need Butler and Wilhite to be competitive nickel and dime backs. Even there, our safeties (and perhaps Arrington) can take on the nickel and or dime roles.

    BOTTOM LINE
    I don't see the critical need to upgrade our #4 corner posiition. We have Butler and Wilhite to compete for that roster spot and role. The loser of this camp competition can compete with the speical teamers for the #9 and/or #10 db roster spot. Sergio Brown is our #9 defensive back at the moment. Carter is our #10.
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    Kyle Arrington to Safety??

    In the TSN Mock draft thread someone threw out the idea of trading Merriweather and moving Arrington to Safety? Thoughts?

    Merry Christmas everyone...
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    Me too.. especially with all the sub packages BB uses.. it gives them some crazy flexibility and with either Bodden or a Draft Pick at CB next year you got to get this kid on the field..

    I just don't see BM as much as I do think he is adequate fitting into the long term plans of this team..

    Agreed this draft is loaded with very capable CB's that would give us depth and talent while allowing Butler to function in slot role which I feel is more suited to him..
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    Re: Kyle Arrington to Safety??

    I digg it.. makes a lot of sense in terms of the evolution of this defense and the role of the subpackage and how much flexibility that would give us..
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    Merriweather has been disiplined this season by BB what, 3 times that we know of? Obviously a knuckle head. The Eagles would love to have him.
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    It's a good question you're asking.

    I am boggled by what some people claim to know about our defensive secondary. It makes me feel like they must have access to the All-22 tape, because I never feel like I'm in a position to make a determination about anything I rarely see on television.

    The only information that helps me form my decision about our defenders are the few plays I get to see them in coverage, and how the coaches regulate their playing time (which often can be a product of things we know very little about, i.e. Merriweather and meetings, etc.).

    And I rarely feel like I have enough of it to make an informed statement on how good X or Y is. And I personally don't feel comfortable judging someone's entire body of work based on one or two bad plays that lead to TDs.

    I also have to remind myself that the other team gets paid to play, also, and a lot of things can be related to the defensive scheme. Not every completion is automatically an incompletion or interception if our guy has a different, more popular nametag on his back.
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    OK, Meriweather has needed discipline 3 times. Why do you think that means that he is not good enough to be a role playing defensive back for the patriots in 2011?

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    On Arrington: Why make him the safety when he is already our CB/LDE? ;) But seriously, he's made such great strides since he was brought in last year. He's grown into his role very well, and next year having him (or Bodden, I suppose) as the 3 with Bulter at 4 is a luxury most teams wish they had. Leave him in the CB role, he's doing it very well.

    On Meriweather: I know I am a huge supporter for the guy, but I don't agree with the "LoMo on D" assessment. Meri has never been benched for stretches of games like LoMo, and his work ethic/toughness has never been questioned like Maroney.

    I do agree that last years Pro Bowl nod probably went to his head which lead to his early season problems. And sure, his running into McCourty was a bad play. But if we're going to bash everyone for one bad play we'll hate our entire team, and most players from the past.

    The haters on this website gloat over everything he does that supports their opinion of him, and continue to gloss over what he does well. Sure, he almost beheaded Todd Heap...how many big catches have been made over the middle since then? Yes, he took a bad angle at CJ "One Of The Fastest Guys In The League" Spiller and on the McCourty mistake. He also made some solid tackles on Kunh the other night. But this place can get so Monkey See Monkey Do over Meriweather when the haters start coming out of the woodwork and it gets to the point where you'd think he belongs on our practice squad. It's just piling on BS that leads to negativity like when reading the Game Thread.

    Why did Meriweather get to be PatsFans #1 villian? Why do posters still call him "Stomper", but don't say that about Randy Moss? Moss put a guy in the hospital stomping him...Meri got into a team fight and stomped the guy 3 times while trying to defend another teammate. Besides that one incident, he has NEVER been involved in anything negative. When do we start bashing Brady for ditching Pregnant Bridget, or Big Vince for taking out JP Losman's knee?

    I just don't get this place sometimes.
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    Without reading the entire thread,

    I think that Arrington would be a very good Slot CB.

    He's excellent at the Line of Scrimmage with holding receivers on the line.

    He stuffed Boldin for 4 quarters and OT bar 5 or 6 plays.

    Of course, you need safety help against a top WR, but if Arrington went inside on a guy like Shipley, I'd bet he would get no more than 2 catches against him.
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    His work ethic is poor. It's been said by multiple journalists that Meriweather has been late for meetings.

    And he has been benched.

    Chung and Sanders are the starters. Page is coming in after them a lot of the time, and then Meriweather comes in after that.

    Meriweather only really comes in when Chung has to go to Slot CB.
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