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  1. Harry Boy

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    The Governor of Hawaii made an ass hole out of himself now whats next.
    Barry Hussein Obama could end all this crap this afternoon, why won't he.
    :confused:

    Arizona Stirring The Pot It's Time To Show Us Mr President, Lets See That Birth Certificate, The REAL ONE.
    Game-changer! Arizona to pass 2012 eligibility law
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    jESus christ, harry, do you start a thread every time a thought -- usually the same thought -- pops into your head?
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    I can't help it, I remember needing a birth certificate for something years ago, the Original not the little card or that piece of yellow sh!t Obama shows us, I walked into the State House, I paid them and had my ORIGINAL in five minutes and I'm not the President Of The United States Of America.

    :rocker: "thats right harry, somethings fishy in all this sh!t and you better stay right on it"

    "don't worry head, I will"

    :rocker: "good"
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    maybe you should stick to one thread, then

    and where's the thread for Bush's birth certificate, and every other president's?

    oh, that's right...
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    Harry, the states decide who is a citizen and who is not. The State of Hawaii provided Obama with an official copy of his birth certificate. Therefore he is a citizen. There is no evidence that he is not a citizen and was not born here.

    Further, the Supreme Court has never ruled on what a "natural born citizen" is, but it's highly unlikely that the Supreme Court would go against the state unless there was real evidence that he wasn't born here. But, not only does he have an official, certified birth certificate, his birth was announced in two Hawaian newspapers, and it sort of seems unlikely that his parents were plotting his rise to power when he was a day or so old.

    Many people lose their birth certificate and then request copies. I'm working with a young man who did not have his birth certificate, so recently got a copy from the state he was born in (so he can get Mass health insurance). It's not his original certificate, but it's good enough for him to have all the rights of citizenship. What do you think should be done when someone loses their birth certificate?
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    LOONS:
    This Just In
    Harrys News
    This Is Not Sh!t

    ALERT
    Abercrombie Admits There Are No Obama Birth Records In Hawaii


    YouTube - Abercrombie Admits There Are No Obama Birth Records In Hawaii

    HAVE WE GOT AN ILLEGAL ALIEN FOR A PRESIDENT

    Obama's dog BO is in love with Windbag Bidens left leg, the dog humps Bidens left leg every morning after he pi$ses on his right leg, when Obama gets thrown out of the White House for being an Illegal Alien will he give BO to Biden, it would be terrible to separate them, BO LOVES BIDEN.

    NOW WHAT ABOUT AUNT ZUCCHINI AND HER FOOD STAMPS-------:confused:
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    Harrys bored he needs a good bladder infection to occupy his time. :singing:
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    No Birth Records In Hawaii

    :singing::rofl:
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    If his Birth Certificate truly can't be found, then this Abercrombie guy will be the boob of the decade. Talk about opening up a can of worms.
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    When a sitting President Of The United States Of America is questioned in the Media as to his place of birth and is asked to produce a Valid Bonafide Official Original Birth Certificate and he refuses to do it SOMETHINGS WRONG.

    Obama showed us a birth certificate that looked like it was printed in a Times Sq Joke Shop all of his groupies immediately approved of it and then told the rest of us to shut up and forget it, well we won't, Obama is hiding something and so is Hawaii.

    NOW THE GOVERNOR OF HAWAII SAYS THERE ARE NO BIRTH RECORDS TO BE FOUND IN HAWAII, THIS GOVERNOR IS SUPPOSEDLY A "FAMILY FRIEND" HE IS ALSO THE GOVERNOR AND HE CAN'T FIND THE BIRTH RECORDS.

    A SIMPLE BIRTH CERTIFICATE, WHY CAN'T THEY FIND IT-----------:confused:

    WE WILL FIND OUT
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    So who died and made you a mod?
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    Uh, the 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution says hi.

    Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? (Uh oh - another infraction coming at me in 3-2-1......)
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    The 14th amendment does not say anything about what proof is required for citizenship. It merely defines citizenship as being born in the US.

    The Federal government has for a long time recognized birth certificates produced by the states as valid proof of being born in the US. Obama's birth certificate (and that's what Hawaii calls the short form they provided him with) was accepted as proof. If you didn't know, when you are born your birth certificate is produced by the state, but I gather from your post you have some federal document showing you were born here. What document might that be?
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    So if Barry can't produce a long form BC then what off the ballot in some states?


    Interesting.

    From the Other BO thread, a post near the end about Barry's BC.


    HAWAII GROUND REPORT: Could Hawaiian Governor Neil Abercrombie not be as incompetent and foolish as he appears, but orchestrating a deliberate birth certificate recovery dead end to cover his own papakole? UPDATED: Mystery solved! Reason Obama will n


    To summarize young Barry was adopted by Lolo Soetoro Lolo adopts Barry, when this happens the original BC is sealed forever by court order, and a new BC for young Barry Soetoro is issued.

    That may be the only BC there is now, Barry never went back and changed his name back to Barry Obama. Wonder if Barry filed for sinancial aid as Barry Soetoro? Perhaps as an Indonesian citizen? (Daddy Lolo was Indonesain that country doesn't allow for dual citizenship.

    We won't find out because Barry's college records have never been released .
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    In all seriousness, he should have to show the original. Isn't that our law?

    I doubt he doesn't fit the criteria to be POTUS, but "IF" he did not, he should be imprisoned for lying to the American people.

    just saying....
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    So you can question posts but I can't question threads?

    Hypocrite.
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    My guess is that Obama won't release his long form birth certificate because the issue plays to only two groups: his base and a group of birthers who wouldn't support him anyhow and probably wouldn't be convinced even if he produced the long form. If states try to keep him off the ballot, my guess is they'll fail (if only because there's no issue since the Supreme Court has never said what "natural born citizen" means), and the issue is not going to play to the Republican's favor. It makes them look like nuts. I don't think independents buy into this issue one iota.
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    You would think that he would WANT to show it if the American People who elected him wanted to see it, it's getting pretty obvious now that something's wrong, it was comical at first but it is pretty clear now that this President is hiding something?
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    The majority of people aren't birthers, harry.

    The President shouldn't be aiming to appease wingnuts who never questioned a President's birth certificate before. I wonder why people like you are questioning his citizenship but never asked about other Presidents'...
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    Actually, it's not our law. Hawaii states that to get a copy of the birth certificate, you must apply and they will send it to you. What they send is a birth certificate that's shorter than the one given out at birth. That's all that that's required. The US government has always accepted copies of birth certificates as proof of citizenship. You do not need to have the original. Indeed, if that was a requirement, that would probably eliminate more than potential candidate, since people who move around a lot often lose papers along the way. In addition, one can probably prove citizenship in other ways as well--witnesses, birth announcements in papers, and other evidence. After all, consider the reality of a child who is born at home. It might take a day or two for the paperwork to be filed. We can then speculate that any such child was actually snuck into the country and not born here. Indeed, if you think about it, a birth certificate merely proves that a doctor and some bureaucrats filled out some paperwork. There's no absolute way to prove someone was born here.
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    Tell Abercrombie not me he says there is NO Barak Obama Long form BC, this is from a pal of his, not a Birther.

    BTW States get to conduct their elections. See the Constitution.


    The speculation at the like is that there is a BC for Barack Soetoro. When Barry is adopted by Lolo his stepdad the Barak Obama BC is sealed by court order
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    PF, if the States have the right to exclude candidates based on their ideas of what proves citizenship, then we could have a real mess. Hawaii provided Obama with an official copy of his birth certificate. They call it a birth certificate. They, like other states, have two forms. At any rate, it's not even clear what constitutes proof of citizenship. Generally, a birth certificate is considered adequate, but obviously to birthers that is not the case with Obama, probably because he's black man, and we all know that black men are not real Americans. That's why Obama is probably the only president whose citizenship has been seriously questioned. While there are all sorts of possibilities, those possibilities apply to McCain (or any other president as well) as well. Do we know McCain's birth certificate was authentic? Has the paper been analyzed? Were the signatures authentic? How come his name didn't appear in the registry of births in Panama Canal? How come he only allowed the birth certificate to be view for a short while by select people? Is it forgery and do we know there is a copy or other records on file? And so on.

    I'm all for an investigation into this. I'd love to see the nuts in Congress launch a full-fledged inquiry into this issue. But, you know what? They won't. Why? Because "natural born citizen" has never been defined by the Supreme Court and a state issued birth certificate, whether it's a copy, a long form, or a short form, has always been accepted as proof of citizenship. Even if they can't find the long form, they would still have hard time proving that Obama is not a citizen. If Obama was white, I guarantee this issue would never have come up or certainly had this much traction. They would not have thought of it.

    As far as the speculation goes, I'm not sure what the relevance of it is. If that speculation proves correct, then it still means he's a citizen.
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    The State of NJ has very stringent regulations for multiple ID's required to renew your drivers license. A pain but they have avoided chaos distributing driver licenses.

    I am sure Obama can get people to supply the required documentation to meet requirements to appear on the ballot.

    I agree Barak Soetoro was most likely born in Hawaii, but if he is leagally not Barak Obama it embarrassing and leads to questions about why he lies about his name.

    The other question of course is that Indonesia doesn't allow dual citizenship, so if he is the adopted son of Lolo Soetoro did he become an Indonesian citizen?

    Oh yeah when he applied to college and sought aid did he do so as a foreign citizen? IOW WHo got the aid? Barak Obama ot Barak Soetoro Indonesian citizen.
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    My guess is that to the best of Obama's knowledge he was born in Hawaii and his name is Barrack Obama. My impression is that he was closer to Soetoro than to his father (I think he's close to his Soetoro half sister), so I would think he would have used the name Soetoro if it was in fact his name and there would be documents floating around with that name on it. Surely, people have looked into his past addresses, employment, etc. to see if the name Barry Soetoro appears. The possibility that he used that name to get a scholarship is just speculation based on not an iota of evidence. It would sort be like speculating that Bush had Hep C because he never released all his medical records. It's possible. After all, there is some vague evidence that he used cocaine and some people shoot cocaine, which can result in Hep C (shared needles).
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    So in other words, 13, you know very well that there is no question about Obama's citizenship and eligibility.

    You do favor, however, a wild goose chase for no actual reason other than the possibility that it is embarassing to your president.

    Gotcha.

    So it's basically the equivalent of requiring all presidents, except the first 43, to display I dunno, photos of their privates on national TV. You get to prove that you can, and you get to insinuate that there's something wrong w/said privates. Armed w/the right microscope, the zit from a blocked pore becomes another "impeachment worthy" joke case that pubbies bring, basically because they couldn't steal this election like they did in 2000.

    Enough already. Sometimes the "will of the people" really is expressed by how the people vote.

    PFnV
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    Somethings Fishy, Dan Rather should be looking into this..........:confused:

    I bet if they water-boarded Aunt Zucchini she'd tell us where the birth took place, I think I have the answer but if I let it out Barry's liberal groupies will hate me.

    Some Of Jug Ears Brothers:
    Remember Samson Obama, he's a child molester he wanted to visit the white house for dinner but they wouldn't let him in the country, George Obama smokes a bong and lives in a grass hut.
    :singing:

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