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Are you willing to pay more in taxes to give your money to the poor?

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  1. FreeTedWilliams

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    #75 Jersey

    Obama has finally admitted that his "tax" plan is to redistribute the wealth downward.

    First off, he has pledged to let the Bush tax cuts of 2001 and 2003 expire, that will raise your taxes no matter who you are (an average of $2,000 for a couple that makes $50,000). Now what he proposes is that he is going to give a rebate of $1,000 to those who make less than $250,000, but is it really a Tax break, well if you are a couple making $50,000 you are gonna pay @$2,000 in additional taxes, and get a check for $1,000 back from Obama.

    Who does this benefit? Why the PEOPLE WHO DON'T WORK, OF COURSE. Because he is goning to give (straight cash homie) to the people who already don't pay any taxes, and already get some of your money with the infamous "Earned income credit".

    So my question to you is, do you want to pay more in taxes, and have that money go to people who do not work?

    How can any country survive if they overtax the productive, to give that money to the unproductive?
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    If you REALLY love poor people so much, marry one!!!

    I tried to tell that to Ted Kennedy once, and he just grabbed the Scotch bottle, mumbled something, and walked away.


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    He cuts taxes for everyone earning under $250,000:

    ObamaTaxCut.com - What's your Obama Tax Cut?

    And, besides, the tax system already redistributes wealth down. We don't all pay the exact same dollar amount. Even with a flat tax, someone earning $1,000,000/year would pay 10x as much as someone earning $100,000/year. Do you think everyone should simply pay the same dollar amount, e.g., $50,000/each? That's apparently your definition of fair. Well, I don't think think you can achieve fairness through taxes in that way. You make things fair for the rich by giving them a strong economy in which to invest and a talented labor pool to hire.
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    #75 Jersey

    That calender ALREADY INCORPORATES THE REPEAL OF THE BUSH TAX CUTS!!! So anything it says is worng, HE WILL RAISE YOUR TAXES, AND GIVE THEM TO THE POOR.

    tHANKS FOR THE LINK, Patters, here's what is said for me:

    The results are in...
    You probably will not get an Obama Tax Cut. This calculation is not perfect, and Obama has recently promised not to raise taxes for anyone making less than $250,000 per year.

    These numbers come directly from calculations by the independent, non-partisan Tax Policy Center. They estimate that your taxes in 2009 will change by $1,321.85 under Barack Obama and -$3,966.68 under John McCain. Click here to see the relevant table for your filing status. Tax cuts for Obama and McCain are calculated by adding the changes in income tax and corporate tax estimated by the Tax Policy Center.

    To calculate your tax cut in more details, check out ElectionTaxes.com, a calculator made by Quantrix and the University of Southern Maine.

    SO OBAMA'S OWN WEBSITE IS TELLING ME THAT HE WILL RAISE MY TAXES BY $1,321.85 AND MCCAIN WILLL LOWER MY TAXES BY $3,966.68, GEE GUESS WHO I'M VOTING FOR!!!!
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    100% smoke and mirrors. By the time Pelosi's gang gets done with Obama's "tax cuts" everyone will be paying and paying and paying, more than ever before in their lives.

    Why not just increase the graduated tax?? Why not re-institute higher tax brackets on those who are pulling down their more than $300 grand a year?? Even more for those above $500 thousand, and more for $1 million and up?? Looks good to me!!


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    McCain is a terrible candidate.

    I have asked the question on this board multiple times if Obama would let
    all of the Bush tax cuts expire (no concrete response).

    Obama has been saying over and over that he will give a tax cut for everyone
    making under $250,000.

    Why didn't McCain adress this at any of the 3 debates or in any of his adds?

    I am sure in 2012 Obama will call the 2011 tax increase a Bush policy.

    :enranged:

    I would also have liked McCain to address Obama's idea of doubling foreign
    aid. I don't think that the majority of America would support that idea.

    I think it would have been a better idea than playing the Joe the plumber
    tune over and over and over.
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    Tell your kids when they grow up to be poor then the democrats will support them.
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    I'm totally opposed to handing out unearned money. I'm more inclined to lessen the burden of lower income brackets, but giving someone back more than they paid, which means more than they earned, is absolutely wrong. We do that now, and it's awful.
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    what constitutes being poor?
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    I don't want to pay any more taxes than I already do. I paid well over 30% last year and got little back. Mostly because I'm single and rent which is why I'm goint to finally buy a house.

    I think there is plenty of revenue to re-distribute for entitlement programs. Hell, take some $$ away from the military and Iraq/Afghanistan.
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    We already pay to much into entitlement programs, and the military. Sheesh, we spend $3.1 trillion, and still run a deficit. That's gross. There's enough money in the pit as it is. Matter of fact, there's too much.
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    ----:singing:---You better stay the f-ck away from Barack Hussein Obama then.
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    in the mind of our hit-and-run conservative moderator:

    Rich people = productive
    Poor people = just unwilling to work...

    Perhaps I'll get an infraction point for pointing that out....
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    this is republican propaganda. so i agree with you. people's distaste for the poor and welfare makes people cut off their nose to spite their face and make them side with republicans. little do they admit is they are actually hurting themselves.

    republicans help out the truly rich which is the top 5%.

    most of us are not rich.
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    #95 Jersey

    I'd like someone to give me a definition of the middle class with income numbers please.............
  16. PatriotsReign

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    It's Archie Bunker! Ok, thanks for the advice.

    Harry, here's a hint...it' really doesn't matter who is president cuz things don't change either way. You should know that after all these years. When was the last time you experienced a dramatic change as a result of who got elected president?
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    I totally agree. I think too many people think they are in the uppermiddle class bordering on wealthy.
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    Well, isn't that simply democratic propoganda then too?
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    sure. if the truth can be propaganda.

    but tell me how Bush and his republican buddies have helped you out.
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    There is no standardized definition by income because it varies so widely in each area of the country and really depends more upon the assets you own (home, investments, savings, etc) than it does income.

    For the northeast in general, my guess by total household income;

    Lower middle class - $35-$50K
    Middle Class $50 - $100K
    Upper Middle class - $100 - $175K

    Lower Wealthy class $175 -$250K
    Wealthy class $250 - $500K
    Upper Wealthy $500 - $1MM

    Elite M-F****'s - $1MM+:D

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