Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by Disco Volante, Mar 23, 2008.
Wanted a clear consensus of our boardâ€™s feelings on the most powerful man in the NFL right now.
He's a real @$$ clown.....That's all i'm gonna say
The one thing I did respect about the SpyGate handling was the fact he never made a public statement saying BB had been taping since 2000. He could have easily done so causing even more questions about the legacy all season long.
Not until Specter was that information confirmed.
Then again I donâ€™t condone just about everything else heâ€™s done in terms of this whole fiascoâ€¦
I think he handled our situation as best he could and he's punished others that have been in trouble with the law. We were clearly filming what we were told we couldn't film, and were punished for it.
I do think that he comes down with a heavy hand, but I guess you have to sometimes, especially when you want to set an example. I think he's been harsher with Pac Man Jones than he has been with us. It actually seems like he is trying to soften the blow he laid on us in September.
He has been unfair in many regards...FIRSTLY he could have clarified his stance on why the punishment was so great and chose to say nothing..this led to more questions..not less...Since then, he has talked about being fair but acting far from it...He screwed up with the way he handled it and does not want to hurt the league more if the truth about many practices came out...very poor performance..
I just think he is incompotent.
He is both biased and incompetent. By the way when are we going to find out who sent the Pats tape to FOX TV.
The same time we will find out about his investigation of officials in the NE-INdy game...
it's amazing how NE fans of all people could be against him
he's protecting the pats from walsh, or at least trying to (because he's protecting the nfl, all of his decisions are done to protect the nfl from itself, and keep it's #1 spot)
I am figuring about the 12th of Never on that one.
As a commissioner you must understand that it's human nature to revert to mob rule and injustice so you must be right down the middle. To this point, Goodell has been much too harsh with handing out penalties and suspensions. As with the lengthy player suspensions, the "spygate" penalty was just too harsh which in turn brought undue outrage from all angles. He has made public a matter which should have been handled in house and that my friends is never good. The NFL has big financial hurdles to cross over the next two years and could be facing a lockout, which will cause bad press. So it could be a continuation of bad press for the league. The "spygate" drama though was clearly due to the how the new commissioner handled it and wasn't a good way to start off a new era.
I find it funny that the only team Goodell has been harsh with is the Pats. Everything else has been swept under the rug ASAP. When is he going to release the findings of who leaked the Pats tape to Fox. LOL
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Here is why I think he is incompetet. He thinks he is protecting the pats and the NFL but all he is really just hanging them out to dry. If he was protecting the pats he would give Walsh an ultimatium and deadline. If he didn't come through by the deadline, declare the matter investigated and closed. Handling it this way does nothing but allow everyone to consider the Pats guilty in the court of public opinion. Your own post shows this as you assume the NFL is "protecting" the pats as if they need protection from anything Walsh has.
The man might be a good lawyer and administrator, but as far as handling a high profile organization like the NFL he is way over his head.
I think he's both incompetent and a blowhard jerk. Basically, I dislike him in every capacity that I can dislike someone that I've never actually met.
I totally agree. Goodell has had his work cut out for him early on and it doesn't help having a grandstanding senator sticking his nose into it all. He's said the same thing since this spygate crap started - he punished the Pats, the issue is dead. Now all the Matt Walsh stuff... I think he's done as well as he could've done.
Then he didn't handle it well.
If he handled as best he could, there would be no need to soften any blow or backtrack.
I don't know how you could possibly say that he's done as well as he could've done with any of it. It has been and continues to be a total mess. From the media prespective both spygate I and II have been botched.
he's really messed this up on every level at every turn....he SHOULD have handled this in house and never turned it into the public spectacle that it became...NEVER sgould have given out such a heavy penalty without explaining it all...going forward he shouldn't have said he was going to be so fair about things, for he has demonstrated the opposite totally..ignoring so many other practices that are ubfir..from tampering to piped in audio to the communications blackout over ride that some teams do. He's basically not recovered from that and looks even sillier with Spector and Walsh... I can not believe how he was voted MOST powerful in sports (after a short run..) ..only that maybe that made his slighty HEAD slightly bigger and more pompous...(if that could be possible..) Correcting the mess now is really hard..can't get the toothpaste back in the tube... Until he actually takes action against another team, it's all UNFAIR...he talks a good game, of fairness..bit that is all..most incompetent idiot to be the head of any league.. Mu hope is he will go down in flames fast before he destroys the league..
just ask yourself how Stern was able to get past the Ref point shaving scandel 20x quicker than spygate?
answer: because Goodell is incompatant.
You're assuming a) that the Pats need to be protected, and b) that he iddn't make the mess that he's now trying to clean up. Both are incorrect. A competent GM wouldn't have let Spygate become this big of an issue in the first place, and would have told specter to go to hell from the beginnning.
jcdavey's pretty much got it right, at this point:
I.e., the NFL protects its interests at this juncture by not further focusing on the Pats. That is because the NFL's first interest is to have sovereignty over its own affairs, rather than respond to the temper tantrums of fans with horrible conflicts of interest, who also just happen to be a US Senator.
I couldn't find my exact category to vote for. I think it would be:
- Goodell's "cleaning up" of the league may actually have been well-intentioned enough, but had unintended consequences as regards the Patriots. Thereafter he's not done badly, as of this writing.
I don't think you praise somebody who sets a house on file because he then throws a bucket of gasoline on it which is what Goodell has done. Obviously, you don't realize that the reason he destroyed the tapes was to protect the other teams that tapoed not the Pats. I don't think the Pats need any protection from Walsh. I think Walsh is scared of going to Walpole if he shows up.
The problem with Goodell is that he screwed up initially on Spygate and has just given lip service to DOING ANYTHING after that. He did pour gasolene on the fire...but his words about fairness and having a level playing field are just that...words. I do not think one can find ANY ACTION by him since then AND when there have been allegations that have surfaced, they have NOT been looked into with the same zeal. That is one reason why the 'unfairness' label can be PINNED right on him.
When there was allegations of the blackout period by QB and coach teams being overridden, I would have thought that he would have pounced on that right away and MADE SURE this was not going on. This allegation was made by Mike Sando a few weeks after Spygate broke and to many certainly represents a MUCH LARGER unfairness than anything the Patriots have done and yet, this champion of fairness did squat. What does that tell the fans?? After the Colt game, he said he was going to investigate the officials and what occured in the game. So far, nothing and one can only surmise that that investigation was thrown in the circular file. And then there was the piped in sound, which has always been done at Domes it seems and yet while this is also a clear violation of the rules, it has not been looked at at all. Even with the tampering rules that have been broken and the fact that he specifically sent out a memo on them just before free agency. teams seemed to ignore that memo and yet, where was the Mighty Sword of Fairness from Goodell?
One can only really conclude that if he was well intentioned on "cleaning up" the league, he has NOT done anything close to cleaning up the league. More like he's put the exterminater to take care of one corner of one room and ignored everything else. Where is the fairness taking it all out on one team and letting violations by other teams go totally unpunished. If he wants to look at having a level playing field, he's really looked the other way at many points.
SO did he really wish to clean up the league? If THAT was his intention, he has totally failed..for there have been many times where he could have exhibited the same outrage and basically ignored what was going on instead of taking action. I am not sure how being unfair like he has has helped the league.
I think he understands there is so much to clean up that it may be beyond what he can do...thus not doing anything sort of covers it all; more like keeping all the fingers in the dyke to keep it from breaking. As far as Walsh, Spector and Levy are concerned, I don't know if they will ever get that close. It seems Walsh is looking for a license to steal (If he has a tape) and defame/libel...on his way to a big payday. THAT is not happening; not being allowed by the NFL and that is why they may never get that close.
Notice how every few weeks this story surfaces..Spector, Walsh, Levy want it in the news, even though I think a chasm has been met that will never be crossed...closer closer..but there may never be a deal.
Look...don't anyone take offense but I HAVE to post this...I'm an older NE fan... Pats, Sox, Bruins and Celts. I played all four sports growing up and have followed all four teams for well over 45 years. Now READ this....
Goodell is the son of the late United States Senator Charles E. Goodell, a Republican from New York.
The Goodell family moved to Bronxville, New York, in 1971, where Roger graduated from high school. A three-sport star for Bronxville High School in football, basketball, and baseball, Goodell captained all three teams as a senior and was named the athlete of the year at Bronxville High.
Goodell's career in the NFL began in 1982 as an administrative intern in the league office in New York under then-Commissioner Pete Rozelle - a position secured through an extensive letter-writing campaign to the league office and each of its then 28 teams. In 1983, he joined the New York Jets as an intern, but returned to the league office in 1984 as an assistant in the public relations department.
You SEE that???....HE is a New York sports fan first and foremost...and obviously a JET FAN!!! He jumped to intern for the RATS...THEN parlayed his family political connections for an EVEN choicer plum with the league...BUT this guy was hating on all New England teams since he was a kid in Bronxville. IT IS WHAT THEY DO IN NEW YORK. Just like I hated on ALL New York teams growing up in New England. Given the chance I would MOST CERTAINLY dog the Jets if I had the opportunity that power and privelege grants. He is NOT inept, he DID NOT make anb error in judgement...HE SCREWED NEW ENGLAND AND NE FANS THE FIRST DYAM CHANCE HE GOT.
Don't even give me this crap about spying and affecting games and the rest of this invented media construct...Belichick ignored this azzole's directive because it was ALWAYS ignored...it was JETdell that went completely beserk and WAY WAY over the top with this repugnant fine, the besmirching of league icon Kraft and the hatchet job nationally on our coach's character while speciously frobbing the Patriots of a VERY VALUABLE BUSINESS ASSET , their first round pick...he can ROT IN HELL with his secret little Jet agenda for all eternity for all I care.
As a side question - how do you all think Paul Tagliabue would have dealt with this?
I would guess the same way he delt with the salary cap violations with the 49ers, Broncos or Steelers, with discretion and mindful of public relations. I also don't think there would have been a leak from his office every other hour. In the many years Tagliabue was in office, I don't remember a single leaked report, nevermind a tape, out of his office.
He stinks. Too many reasons to list. Hope he's a one-and-done.
I think Goodell's done a good job thus far. Sure, the situation with the Patriots is unfortunate, but he handled it in the manner it ought to have been handled.
With matters outside the Patriots (i.e. Pacman, Vick, etc) he put forth proper punishments to maintain the standard that athletes need to be held to. I think he's done a good job at cleaning up.
When he showed up to the Superbowl and everyone he was with was in Giants gear some of my friends were rubbed the wrong way about it, but the people he were with were assistants and his kids (I'm guessing), all of whom I would imagine live in or around New York, making them Giants fans by default. I don't hold that against him, he was not wearing Giants paraphernalia himself.
If you look at other commissioners of other leagues, namely Selig and Stern, I personally feel Goodell is a much better commissioner. I just flat out don't like Stern for some reason, comes off as a sleezebag to me, and Selig handled the steroids thing terribly and tainted the game shortly after a time when many, including myself were glued to tv sets (the 98 home run chase, for example). Goodell, for now, is the best commissioner within those three sports, IMO.
That's why I voted in his favor. Time will tell how that opinion changes or remains the same.
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