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  1. Holy Diver

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    Man.......how much more FUBAR can this situation get?

    http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/25/hersh-qaeda/

    There has been some violence. So America, my country, without telling Congress, using funds not appropriated, I don’t know where, by my sources believe much of the money obviously came from Iraq where there is all kinds of piles of loose money, pools of cash that could be used for covert operations.

    All of this should be investigated by Congress, by the way, and I trust it will be. In my talking to membership — members there, they are very upset that they know nothing about this. And they have great many suspicions.

    We are simply in a situation where this president is really taking his notion of executive privilege to the absolute limit here, running covert operations, using money that was not authorized by Congress, supporting groups indirectly that are involved with the same people that did 9/11, and we should be arresting these people rather than looking the other way…

    BLITZER: And your bottom line, Sy…

    HERSH: … and could lead to a real mess…

    BLITZER: Your bottom line is that Negroponte was aware of this, obviously, and he wanted to distance himself from it? That is why he decided to give up that position and take the number two job at the State Department?

    HERSH: He — that is one of the reasons, I was told. Negroponte also was not in tune with Cheney. There was a lot of complaints about him because he was seen as much of a stickler, too ethical for some of the operations the Pentagon wants to run.
     
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    Is Sy Hersh, Seymour Hersh?
     
  3. Holy Diver

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    Yes.

    But.....is Sy Hersh, Sy Sperling?
     
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    I'd be more willing to read it if it were. :D
     
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    This is getting mainstream traction NOW.
     
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    This all makes sense when you think about it. We let the genie out of the bottle by overthrowing Saddam and the sunni sphere of influence in Iraq. Now that the Shia are on full scale ascendancy, Bush "allies" like Saudi Arabia are threatening us to do something about undoing what we've done. Hence, you get the emergence of truth about what alot of us have been suggesting is playing out all along- support for the very fundamentalist whackos that attacked us.

    By enabling Iran, we've expanded the regional tensions. Now, Bush-Cheney are trying to put the genie back in the bottle by ramping up support for the counterweight- the sunni extremists. This in addition to Israels confrontation with Lebanon.

    When will it dawn on the knuckledraggers that their beloved hero in the war on terror, George W Bush, is supporting the same factions that brought us 9-11 and has been responsible for an enormous increase in terrorism?

    No wonder Bin Laden was never caught. He's probably still on Ws payroll.
     
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    sometimes i wonder if war supporters, here and everywhere, are even sure what reason they support this calamity for this month... their rationale seems to change every four months anyway, as their previous one goes swirling down the toilet...

    (in the dumbest Boy King voice possible: )
    Iraq paid for 9/11... no wait... Iraq has weapons of mass destruction... no wait... Iraq has unmanned drones.... no wait... Saddam was a BAD MAN! the ends justify the means!!... errr, nope.... wait... thu hate our freedums!!!... no, that's not it... we can't leave now, they'll keep killing eachother... oh, they are anyway?.... Iran will take over if we leave!!!... ....don't talk about Iraq, focus on the global war on terrer!!...

    "I'm a war president... I make decisions of policy with war on muh mind."
     
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    That's over the top. Weakens your argument.


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    Actually, maybe you have a better explanation as to why his whole family was escorted out of the country immediately after 9-11 without question; many in the FBI are still perplexed why those orders would come down.
     
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    Or the fact that Bush Sr was hanging w/ the bin ladens on 9-11....are we opening this can of worms today?
     
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    This urban legend has been debunked.

    http://www.snopes.com/rumors/flights.asp
     
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    debunked is a subjective term the right uses that means "good enough for me"

    “At least six private jets and nearly two dozen commercial planes carried the Saudis and the bin Ladens out of the U.S. after September 13th. In all, 142 Saudis, including 24 members of the bin Laden family, were allowed to leave the country.”

    NOTE: It should be noted that even though the film does not make the allegation, strong evidence has recently come to light that at least one private plane flew to pick up Saudi nationals while private flights were still grounded. Moreover, for nearly three years, the White House has denied that this flight existed. This was reported in the June 9, 2004 St. Petersburg Times article cited below.

    After the airspace reopened, six chartered flights with 142 people,mostly Saudi Arabian nationals, departed from the United States between September 14 and 24. One flight, the so-called Bin Ladin flight, departed the United States on September 20 with 26 passengers, most of them relatives of Usama Bin Ladin. National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, Threats and Responses in 2001, Staff Statement No. 10, The Saudi Flights, p. 12; http://www.9-11commission.gov/hearings/
    hearing10/staff_statement_10.pdf

    It should be noted that the US Customs and Border Protection document released by the Department of Homeland Security under the FOIA, Feb 24, 2004 lists 162 Saudi Nationals who flew out of the country between 9/11/2001 and 9/15/2001, departing from New York’s Kennedy airport, Washington’s Dulles, and Dallas Fort Worth. http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/
    2004/homelandsecurity.pdf.

    For an official list of Saudi Passport holders (names redacted) who flew out of the country between 9.11.2001 – 9.15.2001, see US Customs and Border Protection document released by the Department of Homeland Security under the FOIA, Feb 24, 2004; http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/
    2004/homelandsecurity.pdf.

    The St. Petersburg Times reported on Jun 9, 2004:

    o "Two days after the Sept. 11 attacks, with most of the nation's air traffic still grounded, a small jet landed at Tampa International Airport, picked up three young Saudi men and left. The men, one of them thought to be a member of the Saudi royal family, were accompanied by a former FBI agent and a former Tampa police officer on the flight to Lexington, Ky. The Saudis then took another flight out of the country.”

    o Moreover: “For nearly three years, White House, aviation and law enforcement officials have insisted the flight never took place and have denied published reports and widespread Internet speculation about its purpose… The terrorism panel, better known as the 9/11 Commission, said in April that it knew of six chartered flights with 142 people aboard, mostly Saudis, that left the United States between Sept. 14 and 24, 2001. But it has said nothing about the Tampa flight… The 9/11 Commission, which has said the flights out of the United States were handled appropriately by the FBI, appears concerned with the handling of the Tampa flight.

    o "Most of the aircraft allowed to fly in U.S. airspace on Sept. 13 were empty airliners being ferried from the airports where they made quick landings on Sept. 11. The reopening of the airspace included paid charter flights, but not private, nonrevenue flights.” Jean Heller, “TIA now verifies flight of Saudis; The government has long denied that two days after the 9/11 attacks, the three were allowed to fly.” St. Petersburg Times, June 9, 2004




    The FBI conducted “a little interview, check[ed] the passport.”

    Last year, the National Review reported that the FBI conducted brief, day-of-departure interviews with the Saudis -- in the words of an FBI spokesman, "at the airport, as they were about to leave." Experts interviewed by the National Review called the FBI's actions "highly unusual" given the fact that those departing were actually members of Osama bin Laden's family. "They [the FBI] could not have done a thorough and complete interview," said John L.Martin, the former head of internal security at the Justice Department. "The Great Escape : How did assorted bin Ladens get out of America after September 11?" National Review, September 29, 2003.

    “Thirty of the 142 people on these flights were interviewed by the FBI, including 22 of the 26 people (23 passengers and 3 private security guards) on the Bin Ladin flight. Many were asked detailed questions. None of the passengers stated that they had any recent contact with Usama Bin Ladin or knew anything about terrorist activity." National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, Threats and Responses in 2001, Staff Statement No. 10, The Saudi Flights, p. 12; http://www.9-11commission.gov/hearings/
    hearing10/staff_statement_10.pdf

    “I talked to several people who were with the FBI during the actual repatriation. And they told me there was a lot of back-and-forth between the FBI and the Saudi Embassy. And the Saudi Embassy tried to get people to leave without even identifying them. The FBI succeeded in identifying people and going through their passports. But, in many cases, you had the FBI meeting people for the first time on the tarmac or on the planes themselves as they were departing. That was not time for a serious interview or a serious interrogation.” Interview with Craig Unger, CNN, September 4, 2003.
     
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    If they didn't get the rotten bastards out of the country they would have had to lock them up, the American people would have slaughtered them.

    The Killer Savages were from Saudi Arabia, who gives a sh!t, the thing you have to remembere is that they were members of the RADICAL MUSLIM RELIGION that is who we are at war with, they can come from anywhere in the world including Detroit Michigan.

    We are at war with Allah.
    Liberals and Hollywood are at war with Jesus.
    :bricks:
     

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