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Are there any ethics left in politics?

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    If we elected these people on ethics none of them would be there.

    To get there they must sell their soul to the devil.

    The trick is to get the ones that sell their soul but get a little work done also.
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    If you take any sample of ~500 people, you would end up with a similar mix in terms of ethics as you see in the Congress. Even among us in this forum, there are some who are truly ethical, some who are self-righteous but not especially ethical, some who lash themselves for not being ethical enough, some who are unethical, etc. There is no reason to think our representatives are emotionally any different that the rest of us. Those who think most politicians are corrupt are often projecting their own dishonest instincts onto politicians.
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    Ethical Politician:-----:singing:

    Watch Obama/Mccain/Hillary/Bush watch them when they're clapping grinning and bullsh!tting, do you people think any of these rat bastards care about you.

    John Gotti had more loyalty and ethics in him any of these scum.

    Politicians are the lowest form of life we have in this country, they Grin while they're destorying America, and screwing you to death.

    I am beginning to think that Left Wing Liberals are right, we need a dictator like Chavez or Castro or even the little Muslim Creep that runs Iran.

    :bricks:
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    we need to even the playing field and let the common man actually make a run for office. We need to set a budget, a defined limit on what you can spend on a campaign and give each legit candidate a certain dollar spending amount and they can not exceed it whatsoever or it disqualifies them.
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    What about special interests?
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    All well and good but they would have to pass this bill and I doubt they would.
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    special interests will always be there. but if we don't try to fix the system then we might as well give up hope.
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    i guess this is the struggle of democracy and myanmar is going through this too as well as many other nations
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    the system is ruined, voting does not work.
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    So...okay, I'm glad you addressed the question.

    Would you attempt to limit the ads run by special interests--you know the ads attacking the other guy, paid for by AARP, NRA or AFL-CIO?
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    I would say you would have to if you truly want to keep a level playing field or you could put a cap on the number of tv ads and the candidates can use them however they want to use them.
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    Problem is that you're penalizing the candidate for the views and activities of others not necessarily related. You're also disenfranchising all the people who become members of special interest groups in some cases specifically for the political clout.

    That's why the supreme court has equated money with speech in campaigns. That's why I asked you the question.
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    then we're stuck with those with the money having the power. there is no such thing as a perfect gov't
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    You give up awfully easily.

    And no, there's no such thing as a perfect government. As the saying goes, democracy is the worst form of government--except all the other forms.
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    power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absoultely. and throw in greed and it spells corruption.
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    give up when i've proved my point correctly?
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    Don't even know what you mean, sorry.

    And what am I "giving up"? I wasn't arguing with you, I was trying to see if we could figure something out.
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    very non-partisan;)
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    I don't like the present system. McCain-Feingold only made it worse, IMO, but I don't know how to solve the problem.

    Say I'm a member of the NRA. I can afford to send a candidate $25 or $50. Not much, considering. But when I send that money to the NRA, they put it with the $25 from 500 other people, and suddenly we've got an ad campaign that will have some effect.

    So if you bar special interests from getting involved, or put limits on it, you've taken my right to access the system, right?

    I don't know the way around it. Do you?

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