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    Are the Paytriots rebuilding?
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    Re: Are The Patriots rebuilding?

    It looks to me more like they are cleaning house, getting rid of the no upside players, special team players, and replacing them with younger high upside players, or clearing space to bring in some players they like from other teams.
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    Re: Are The Patriots rebuilding?

    More like retooling. They still are good enough to compete for the division, but they are rebuilding the defense. I call rebuilding when you go to 4-6 wins to clean house. This team could still win 10-11 or possibly 12 games if everything goes right.
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    Re: Are The Patriots rebuilding?

    Need to qualify.

    2000 was a rebuild
    2003 was a reload
    2006 was a reheat
    2009 was a reheat
    2010-I'll say reload as I think 12-4, 11-5 is very attainable.
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    Re: Are The Patriots rebuilding?

    This house ... is CLEAN.

    Man, what a day. ANybody who's been given a chance and hasn't proven themselves enough... gone. Onto the new.
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    Re: Are The Patriots rebuilding?

    I should have said...Are the Patriots rebuilding on defense? They can still win some game because the offense should score a lot of points.
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    Re: Are The Patriots rebuilding?

    Given the youth of the defense I think it's fair to say they are
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    Re: Are The Patriots rebuilding?

    I think they're re...re what I don't know yet but they're definitely re...
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    A Poltergeist reference. Oustanding!
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    Re: Are The Patriots rebuilding?

    What is that question based upon?
    Burgess?
    He was NEVER going to play in the base D. He was only playing there in the preseason for evaluation.
    I dont think cutting a sub package pass rusher who struggled in the role last year is a sign of a rebuild. (I assume by rebuild you mean weaken the roster today to build for the future)
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    Re: Are The Patriots rebuilding?

    They're cleaning out deadwood, that's for sure. No slight on any particular player, but if you ain't hungry, you ain't going to eat on this defense.

    Wouldn't be surprised to see them claim some go getters on waivers.
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    Re: Are The Patriots rebuilding?

    I think in today's NFL teams are constantly "building', so in that sense you are never truly RE-building. By definition most teams turn over 20% of their rosters EVERY year, so in essence you can say they are always rebuilding.

    What we have seen in the last 2 seasons has been a larger than average turn over between the draft and FA. BUT again, bb is constantly building a roster....same goes for this year.
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    Re: Are The Patriots rebuilding?

    Its a very young defense so of course the Patriots are rebuilding just about all areas of defense,How anyone can say they are not are in complete denial...This team was once known as one of the oldest defenses in the league,now its a reversal and its going to take a few years to get anywhere near an elite defense IF these youngsters can play at the pro game level,you can't lose 3-5 players of great importance in such a short time and just continue where you left off - it takes time and patience for fans who expect no changes year to year.

    However on offense I think we have a good nucleus of veterans and youngsters all of whom have shown some good ability.

    I think its safe to say we are all MUCH MUCH more comfortable with the offense than the defense this season.
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    The pats are continuously rebuilding
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    Breer reports that 37 percent of current roster is 2009 or 2010 draft picks or undrafted free agents. Nearly unheard of youth.
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    Re: Are The Patriots rebuilding?

    The Pats have been re-building their defense for the last 3 years. It started with the drafting of Mayo. It continued in 2009 with the drafting of Butler, Chung, and Brace. And it's continued with the additions of McCourty, Cunningham, Spikes, and Deaderick.
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    If this is rebuilding the construction isn't going to well. This defense could be worse than 3 years ago.
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    I agree. I just wish that they had started rebuilding the D a little sooner. :p
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    You do realize they went undefeated in the regular season that year and missed winning the superbowl by a fluke catch? Do you really expect them to be that good every year?
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    Re: Are The Patriots rebuilding?

    I am willing to bet that this year turns out to be the best draft of the BB era.
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    I can't wait to see how this D performs after the bye week.....
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    I think it's a house cleaning / capology management / insurance waiting for a new agreement.

    I also think it's good old fashioned Bill being Bill ... I like it.
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    yes, and anyone that says otherwise is nuts. Take a look at the roster on the defenseive side and tell me with a straight face they aren't rebuidling. Yes, they are. This is year two of the rebuilding phase.
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    With all of the defensive starters from the dynasty era that were let go over the last year or so, I'd say that, yes, we are rebuilding. The only starter on this defense left over from the 2007 season is Wilfork (Meriweather doesn't count). If that doesn't speak volumes for the level of rebuilding that has taken place, then I don't know what does.

    And, no, I wouldn't call this a "retool" or a "reload". Those are when you already have the pieces in place and make veteran moves at the one or two areas that have question marks.
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    Re: Are The Patriots rebuilding?

    +1. I was pleased that they cut loose JAGs like Woods, Aiken, Alexander, Burgess.

    They most definitely are turning a page and tossing some B-level guys that they depended on in previous seasons to step up at crucial times with unsatisfactory results.
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    The Pats are pretty obviously on the tail end of a defensive re-building. The last thing to do is fill out the D-line, RDE especially assuming Brace can be at least an effective LDE, and then get a top-flight OLB if Cunningham isn't that guy. On offense they just filled in some pieces, but the re-building will continue apace on the O-line, if only because of age, then RB, then filling out the WR position.
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    "Rebuilding" is when you let guys go who would be better in the short term, especially when it's beyond what the cap dictates or what would be "normal." In particular, it's when you don't pay guys what everybody knows they're worth, because you're just heading in a different direction.

    Well, the Eagles are shopping Asante, the Broncos have cut Jarvis, and Richard Seymour is a special case (the Raiders had the franchise tag available, the Patriots needed to do other things with it). So that leaves your evidence as pretty much Vrabel, Hobbs, and ... ???

    Nothing to see here. Move along!
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    I count 15 players who were not on the roster at any time last year, that's nearly 30% of the roster. I don't recall the exact number but in the past it's usually been a turnover of about 11 players

    offense (4) Crumpler, Hernandez, Gronkowski, Taylor Price

    defense (10 ) Jarrad Page, McCourty, Dane Fletcher, Tracy White, Spikes, Jermaine Cunningham, Marques Murrell, Gerard Warren, Brandon Deaderick, Kyle Love
    ST(1) Mesko
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    I'd say the O is rebuilt is the D is rebuilding. I hope it doesn't go as poorly as I fear this year.
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    Re: Are The Patriots rebuilding?

    I'm not sure how and when they should have done this. 2007, when they had a D that helped them go 17-0? 2008, when they hoped to continue the success of '07 and almost recovered from Brady's injury enough to make the playoffs? Fencer writes in this thread "Rebuilding is when you let guys go who would be better in the short term ..." They kept players who gave them a more than legitimate shot at a championship. Their roster decisions seem to have made sense, considering the results and bad draft classes those years.

    The rebuilding started a bit with Mayo in '08 and intensified greatly with the '09 draft losses of Vrabel, Seymour, Harrison and Bruschi last year. This year is phase 2.5 (counting Mayo as .5): Draft some potential cornerstones, ditch some JAGs. Injuries (Warren, Bodden, McGowan) have accelerated things.

    And through it all the Pats won their division last year and just might do it again this year.
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