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  1. allbosfan

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    With all their issues and recent poor play, does anyone still think that the Colts are the biggest obstacle in the way of the Patriots on their quest for a fourth Super Bowl ring? I am more worried about Dallas and maybe GreenBay.
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    Abso-friggin-lutely. They have the second best QB in the league (who many still believe to be the best), two All Pro receivers (even Harrison--if he does come back--at less than 100% is a great receiver), and the only defense that gave the Patriots problems.

    To me, there are three teams that could give the Patriots problems come playoff time: the Cowboys, the Packers, and the Colts. Only one of them resides in the AFC, so yes, the Colts are still significant in my eyes.
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    Assumung that Harrison and some others get back soon, I still think the Colts (minus Freeney) are better than any NFC team. The biggest thing going for them, aside from talent, is their big game experience. Neither Dallas or Green Bay has that experience.

    Now, do I think the Colts are going to come into Foxboro and down the Pats? No. Then again, I don't think Dallas or Green Bay will either.
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    Yes, they are.
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    Normally I'd say this is a dumb thread but if anyone has paid attention to Mannings play the last couple of seasons this question is actually valid.

    If Manning gets his starters back on offense then I'd say yes they are a threat. Harrison on the field makes teams have to defend them a certain way and there are 4 guys that can hurt you. I shouldn't have to name names but they can ring up some points in a hurry and win a game with offense alone.
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    They may be the biggest obstacle. But it should not even be a game. Unless the Patriots suffer a major injury to Brady, or have a complete meltdown, it shouldn't be close. I still think the Colts will get to he AFCCG, but it will be a speed bump, as is the rest of the league. Everyone is playing for second this year.

    (This is coming from a Colts fan, and Patriots hater)
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    as thing stand right now I'm not worried about the colts.

    I'm more corcerned about he steelers offense than the colts.
    Colts look very confused on offense.
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    Absolutely! The grinding 2007 Colts remind me of the 2005 Pittsburgh Steelers, they look vulnerable, but are very difficult to put away. Both teams feature the threat of the quality passing game, but turn to the running game for their bread and butter.
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    I think the Colts game was closer than it needed to be. Belichick slowed the game down in the first half and that did not appear to work.

    The Colts have struggled all year. We know about the loss to SD. They also had trouble with the Titans, Houston and KC. I can't see how they could possibly be a challenge in Foxboro.
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    I know that the phrase "the only people that can beat the Patriots are themselves" has been overused by the fickle media, but I honestly agree. The storyline of our record has been a series of blowouts disrupted by a game the refs clearly wanted the Colts to win. I still stand by my outrage over that game. If it's called fairly, in January, at Gillette? The Colts might as well be the Giants IMHO.
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    Because they're still an incredibly talented team that could beat anyone on any given day.
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    Everyone thinks a Colts rematch is inevitable. I am not to sure. I can see them getting knocked out in the first round.
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    They are on a downward spiral and have lost their confidence. No way they come here in January and win and they know it. Injuries are our biggest threat.

    Dallas and GB are greater trhreats as they can score points. Still they are not a big threat IMHO.
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    Wildo7 Totally Full of It

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    Browns
    Cowboys
    Steelers

    All better offenses than the Colts

    Jags
    Cowboys
    Steelers
    Redskins

    All better defenses than the Colts

    In all seriousness, on a level playing field the Colts don't scare me at all. In fact, I don't see them getting out of the first round of the playoffs with the team they have on the field right now.
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    If the Colts get fully healthy (guess they can't b/c of Freeney, but still) they are 1B to our 1A. I don't understand how folks are writing the Colts off. We've destroyed every team except them, coincidence? Doubtful.

    Until we beat them in the playoffs and or win the championship, they are as much the team to beat as we are, no matter whether we are more talented on paper or not.
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    I agree. If they don't improve, we may be playing Pit or Jax in the AFCCG.
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    Wildo7 Totally Full of It

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    Agree 100% People point to the Colts injuries as an excuse for why they might not compete. The Pats have built an organization around versatiliy, team, and depth. The Colts have built a team that performs well under pristine conditions and cannot function under adversity. We had more injuries last year than they have this year by far and yet we almost went to the SB and they'll be truly lucky to win a playoff game.
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    I was amazed how well the Pats have played despite the injury issues in the past. The Colts are using it as a crutch.
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    I try very hard not to be a homer, but 146 penalty yards cannot be underestimeted. Take that away and the game should have been a blowout. Plus the Harrison factor is no longer an excuse as he's not just an injured superstar anymore, he's an aging WR that the team has failed to successfully replace or phase out. You can't blame injuries when you build an offense around a 35 year-old WR and a select few playmakers.
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    The Colts are only as good as Marvin Harrison's health.

    Also with Dwight gone, they're in trouble.
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    I have been over to the Colts forum. They are treating the Pats game as win for them. I guess a four point loss without their star WR equates to a win. lol.
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    I hope they still keep treating Harrison as their star WR until he's 45. I'm not saying he's done, or even that he'll keep getting injured every year, but it's really foolish to rely so heavily on one or two players to be the difference between success and failure year in and year out. I think BB and the Pats realized this years ago and that's the difference between the "Patriot way" and the rest of the league IMO. History will never look back on the Colts v. the Pats and say that the difference between possibly the greatest dynasty of all time and a one hit wonder was an injury to one player. But unfortunately for the the Colts organization, that's the mentality that will define their mediocrity.
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    It doesn't matter who New England faces off against in the Playoffs. It is of no consequence. The second best team in the NFL is the Dallas Cowboys. If Dallas were to somehow beat the Pats it would be a bigger upset than any Superbowl upset ever. Bigger than Namath's Jets, bigger than Giants 20-19, Bigger than XXXVI.

    It seems to me that a great many people expect the Pats to lose eventually. Even a number of people on this board. A tad pesimistic everyone is. So far through 11 weeks the 2007 Pats are the best group of assembled football players ever. If we could bring this team with us on a time machine to 2005 and face the Colts I would still heavily favor the Pats. Against John Elway's 1998 Broncos I would still favor the Pats by 7+ in Mile High. Ok I've calmed down. Ranting over. The only way I can compare would be Mohamad Ali only if his brain were in Mike Tysons body. The Pats are the greatest.
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    This 1A and 1B stuff should have stopped on Nov 4th. NE proved themselves a better team that day, and the Indy loss to SD only verified that.

    Add to this that a playoff game between Indy and NE would be played in Foxboro and that Freeney is done and NE is clearly favored.

    I agree that Indy is still #2.
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    The Pats are 1.

    Everyone else is done...
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    Indy is the 2nd best team, but not the top challenger for beating the Pats in Foxborough in January. Here is Manning outdoors in January:

    ATT CMP YDS SK/YD TD IN RT
    031 014 137 01/13 00 02 31.2 (NY)
    030 022 304 01/12 03 00 138.8 (KC)
    047 023 237 04/29 01 04 35.5 (NE)
    042 027 238 01/08 00 01 69.3 (NE)
    030 015 170 01/09 00 02 39.6 (BAL)

    Not a great record. I kinda remember the KC playoff game, but I don't recall the weather being a factor. Manning doesn't throw a tight ball and so he is significantly affected by the elements.

    Winning in Foxborough would fall to either PITT or JAX. PITT is a mess on the road and JAX hasn't proven they can actually win a big game...but both are capable if everything falls their way.
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    The Colts are still dangerous because after the Pats, they are the best coached team in the NFL. If they get a couple key players back and Manning gets in the zone, they are a huge threat.

    Pats still will crush them if it comes down to it, however.
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    The Colts are dangerous. They should not be underrated. It is a fact that they are undermanned. I hope they continue to do so. I love the way the Patriots are playing and ultimately do not care if they end the season 14-2. I would love a perfect season, but if they dont, I dont care. But I want the is the SB!!

    Given that I think a rematch with the Colts is inevitable. For a fan, that will be a scary proposition. Let's not forget that they put together 4 to 5 extremely good drives that fortunately produced very few points. Their defence totally outplayed our vaunted offense for 3 quarters. A loss was loomimg before our offense turned it around.

    Our running game, in the meantime, is worrisome. The history of this league is littered with extremely good one dimension teams that had ultimately stumbled. We are likely to meet atleast two good defenses in our march to the SB - Steelers and/or Colts and the eventual NFC champ - either Dallas or Green Bay and without a decent running game, the likely hood of a stumbling increases. The next few games, I hope, BB emphises the running game and sticks with it to force its improvement. The aerial attack can wait a couple of drives.
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    The Colts are the only threat. And I think they are a legitimate one for two reasons.

    1.) They are the last team to beat us. I know this is faulty logic, but looking at recent history, the Colts are the only team who has, in the BB era, been able to consistently beat us (3 consecutive games)

    2.) They are losing now because their offense is struggling. But, once Harrison comes back, and once Manning gets back into his groove, they will have a great offense and a great defense. Anyone with that combination will be a threat.
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    Let's not forget that "throw it deep and hope for a horrible call" was their go-to offensive play that day. We also shouldn't forget that Freeney made the most impact defensively for them and he's now out of the picture. Let's also add "Manning in Foxboro in January" to any discussion of a future playoff game. I just don't see how the Colts fare any better than they did Nov 4th.
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